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[flagged] I want to work for an entrepreneur who has awakened spiritually
26 points by lifetripe 25 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments
Hi. I’ve decided I no longer want to work for companies. My spirit doesn’t align with the flawed metrics of today’s market. Still, I want to give the universe a chance to connect me with someone who can see my potential in a deeper way.

I'm a programmer with a massive capacity for abstraction. My favorite area in programming is architecture. But I see beyond that. I can perceive how every structure in a codebase has a symbolic and spiritual meaning. It's a vision of how a user feels in that digital space, and what we can do to foster a real relationship with that user. It’s similar to what UX folks do, but I come at it from a more intuitive, holistic angle. And because I think that to have a broad vision of a project I need to get down to the operational side and get my boots dirty. The word that fits best is spiritual because it implies this world beyond appearances. And that’s the world we live in. When we interact with a site, its structure resonates with our minds in mysterious ways. A system isn’t just a system, it has living interactions, its own rituals and associations that go far beyond cold rationality.

When I enter a company and begin to interact with its codebase, I don’t approach it like a sewer worker just fixing a pipe and leaving. I go in with all my gear. I analyze every structure. I sense what’s solid, what needs maintenance, what’s built on shaky foundations. That’s why I often take longer. Sometimes I don’t write a single line of code, because just grasping the architecture was overwhelming enough for my mind.

Trying to justify this way of working has rarely worked, except once, when I had a cool leader who gave me full freedom. I once went a whole week without delivering anything… but I also built an entire MVP using unfamiliar technologies in just three days. That’s the fluid nature of my productivity, which has made it hard for me to fit into most other environments.

I can’t do anything without understanding it holistically.

So the real value of my work, especially in large codebases, only reveals itself in the long run. Of course, that doesn’t mean I’m lazy. I tend to work harder than is healthy (something I’m actively working on), but my process isn’t easy to justify when the only criteria are quantitative.

"So if I hire you, will you be a highly productive developer in the long term?" Probably not. Because today, I’m not chasing hyper-productivity. I could be, I have been at times, but I’ve regretted it. I know I can only contribute meaningfully over time if that contribution respects a healthy life-work balance.

Now, someone with a more quantitative, Cartesian mindset might think: “This sounds like a bad deal. Why hire someone slower, whose value only shows up years down the line, especially if I won’t be around to see it?”

That’s why the right person for me to work with is someone leading a more personal project. A project deeply tied to their connection with the Self. But of course, if you work at a corporation and have space to bring someone like me on board, I’d be open to that too. It’s not about the project itself (as long as it’s not something evil, obviously), it’s about the kind of environment where this way of working is possible.

Okay, fine, here’s a material advantage for materialist minds: I’m very affordable. Living in Brazil with a very simple lifestyle, $15K a year would already be convincing.

I have 4 years of experience. I’m a decent Ruby on Rails developer, but I’ve also been branching out, and honestly, the tech stack doesn’t matter much to me. I learn quickly, because I’ve truly learned programming, not just a framework.

I’m a sane person (despite this post), light-hearted, simple, and even kind of fun. My favorite life philosophy is Taoism: compassion, moderation, and humility.

If this crazy message resonates with you, feel free to reach out at afiado-tabulado-9x@icloud.com




Not joking and not being snarky here ..

Honestly, you might not be able to work for someone or something else. It's going to be hard for others to meet the levels it seems you detail in order for you to contribute and feel fulfilled. It reads like a very high bar or level to have to hit to unlock your commitment and efforts.

Be careful and aware many others might not want to take that on in the hope that they may achieve your needs. They may not want to even try.

I wish you well on your journey. This is your journey to walk.


Neither I nor anyone I have ever worked with would hire an engineer with this perspective.

I would also caution you against making a statement like, "I have truly learned programming" after four years of experience.

Best of luck, but if your goal is to find a programming job quickly, I would not recommend being as forthcoming as you've been here in an interview.


My understanding of Taoism is that it's all about moderation, balance.

There is probably a lot of long-term value in your process. Given my understanding, I would expect you to look at your employer holistically too, and realize that short term results are also valuable in their own way.

Like with yin-yang, short-term results hold within them the long term results: the money earnt enables the company to exist in the long term. Lessons learnt from delivering value can spark insight for architecture in the future.

Vice versa, the long term enables the short term. A codebase with little technical debt allows you to quickly implement changes in the short term.


The qualities of a spiritual software engineers does not lay in the relationship with the code, but in the relationship with fellow developers. To be enlighted means being able to live in a world where most people, including bosses, are not or less enlighted. Enlightment is not a state once achieved, but a life long struggle with as much lows as highs. Enlightment is a very personal process, which is different for everyone, but escaping hard conditions, might not be the best road to choose.


I, too, have done a lot of drugs.


Yes fine, but has your boss?


Your approach to programming may be insightful, but professional relationships require mutual trust. You're asking potential employers to invest in your process without having demonstrated its value first.

Even at $15K/year, clients expect predictable results, not just philosophical alignment. Consider starting with smaller deliverables that showcase your abilities while building trust incrementally.

The most successful unconventional developers find ways to translate their unique perspectives into tangible value that others can recognize and measure. Build trust first, then you'll earn the freedom to work in your preferred style.


It's possible that programming as a paid career isn't for you.

I'm not exactly like you, but I also find a kind of beauty in code. I also can take longer to deliver results, as I need to fully understand systems. I've built some things that stood the test of time.

But I did not enjoy working as a professional developer for the most part. You have to deliver value to those who are paying you. While I can do that, I did not like it.

So I switched careers, and I still write code for my own pleasure, in my own way.


I'm pragmatic, get working straight away, apply software patterns others understand, try to practically improve metrics that make sense but don't worry overly, have a laugh with my colleagues and help them out best I can, leave it all behind after work. Spiritually wise I don't think I'm going any worse, pretty happy. Not looking for a job.

Not that I want to be disparaging, it sounds very interesting, but I wouldn't have high confidence in your ability to deliver.


Sounds like you might be better off freelancing. With a bit of networking and/or marketing you‘ll find individual clients willing to pay for your perspective on their projects. It‘s a different thing with outright hiring — as a manager I‘d find it hard to justify picking you over someone more classicly „predictable“. Most companies do care more about predictability then about spriritual compatibility in the end.


4 years of experience in ruby on rails. Value for years down the line? Where were you for those years of working on a single project/product that will benefit from that?

Tech stack doesn't matter? IT does matter! The tech stack shapes not only the platform, but the way people think about the problem and the possible solutions given the constraints. Beauty in code does exist, but you don't get anything done when the only thing you do is pontificating on things like that. It's an iterative process.

Honestly dude, check yourself. You're a junior. Any experience will be good for you. Nothing wrong with that, but unless you put in the hours in the grind you'll never be good. To realize that you need true humility, not the stuff you've written about "architecture" and whatever. What have you actually done?

If this is what I get in an interview I will terminate it quickly.


Criticize by creating the change you want.


"My spirit doesn’t align with the flawed metrics of today’s market. "

This is true of nearly every minion through the entirety of human (at least) history.

What differentiates you from these serfs?

https://youtu.be/-8bqQ-C1PSE?feature=shared


I want to work at a company where they replace morning stand ups with a farcical aquatic ceremony


Are you familiar with AQAL? You strike me as someone on a high level of cognition. Unfortunately for you (and me), we are stuck in a world of low-level thinkers mostly concerned with their own control. You and I can wish it wasn't so, but it is. The higher level of cognition you're on, the lonelier life gets. There certainly won't be companies run and organized by such people because entrepreneurs tend to exist on lower levels of thinking.


It's crazy. You'd think business would be dominated by people on such incredibly high levels of cognition.


I recognise myself in many of the things you say. Being good at understanding the entire system very quickly, and keeping the constraints of all the parts in mind simultaneously. Picking up technologies quickly and throwing together MVPs in a few days.

I’m not sure I understand other parts. The spiritual aspect, the lack of output for a week, etc.

The problem is that there’s a million people like you looking for work now. All of them as skilled and knowledge-hungry as the next. You’re adding extra barriers to be hired, instead of removing them. That you have personal objectives about who/what/why you work somewhere is fine. Most people have those.

Anyone your message doesn’t resonate with is going to leave you on seen. That’s a problem.


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