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"false dichotomy"

How can you commit to the linux kernel using github's interface? I have not seen a button for `git send-email`.

Apparently this isn't obvious, but when you push your repo to Github, you aren't actually handing complete control of it over to them. You can still `git send-email` from your CLI.

Perhaps the github people decided -- since in order to have a `git send-email` button you must first have actually committed a repo from your own machine, and that your CLI/local client has the facililty already -- that the feature being moaned about here was... what's the word?... optional.

Forgive me, I'm not nearly as familiar with the system as others, but couldn't you just clone the repo on your own system, then send that command from your own bash? It isn't using Github, yes, but then again that system setup doesn't seem like it's using Github either.

I think the point of the linked story is that you can use github seamlessly to collaborate with other GH projects but you have to use your local git installation for interacting with non-gh projects.

You have to use your own local git for doing anything non-trivial.

Github does not intend to replace your CLI, it intends to augment it. Reimplementing send-email/am would be a waste of their effort toward their true goal.

I'm not sure I understand the basis for your conclusion..

There's a lot of git operations you can't do with the Github web interface.

How do you do a non-ff merge? A rebase?

You use the git cli.

I think that is the thesis of the linked story. I did not write the linked story nor am I in complete agreement with the author. But I think that the thesis is that there is the github way and then there is the git cli way. To use the author's analogy to gmail, what actions do you drop to the shell to complete instead of using gmail's interface.

> But I think the thesis is there is the github way and then there is the goit cli way.

Which is, again, a false dichotomy. Github is a remote repo. In git you always also have your own local repo, and things like 'git am' and 'git send-email' (and 'git rebase --interactive', and 'git bisect', and any other non-trivial use of git) are operations that you would always want to be performing locally before pushing it out to a remote repository.

That there's no interface to perform these things on Github doesn't mean that Github is trying to engage in vendor lock-in, it's just a reflection of the reality of the fact that you should be doing that stuff to your local private repo, with your local client.

If that is the thesis, then his example of gmail is strange. After all, he uses fetchmail, alpine, mutt and Thunderbird to use the service. I strongly doubt that gmail has every single feature of mutt in their web UI!

It is also strange since gmails IMAP implementation is so horrible due to the way they changed how email works (labels, archive, etc).

I think the difference is that gmail wasn't the first simplification (web-based or otherwise) of email.

Remember when people used to sign (and/or encrypt) their emails with PGP/GPG? I'm not aware of a way to do that in gmail in any realistic sense.

I do remember, however, many early webmail clients barely supporting even small attachments. Some didn't support multipart.

Eventually, as webmail providers improved, the userbase decided the trade-off of losing the low-level access for the usability advances was worthwhile. I think email is an apt analogy.

GitHub is the first highly-successful incarnation of its kind. There are already credible competitors (albeit with much smaller user counts), and there will be more. GH has made a business decision on what features they spend time on. Other competitors will arrive at different decisions.

Developers, along with popular open source projects, will go to the providers that support their needs.

"Remember when people..." I have not forgotten, I still do.

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