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Toroidal Propeller (wikipedia.org)
23 points by amichail 66 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 11 comments



I've been interested in these for a while now, ever since the big splash (heh) from sharrow marine a few years ago, heres a link to some data they've provided comparing their prop vs a standard one: https://sharrowmarine.com/blogs/performance-reports/project-...

The issue, as far as I can deduce, is that the design of the prop needs to be almost perfectly tailored for the expected flow regime. Tweak the RPM, power, and velocity variables just a bit, and the hyper efficent, silent prop becomes detuned, negating any extra benefit it might have had. (In the link above, you can clearly see that the prop was designed for peak performance at around 2500 engine RPM). Contrast that to a typical prop, where you can get decent thrust and efficiency with just about any old scooped blade with a pitch angle.

Rctestflight on youtube gathered some fairly insightful, albeit limited data on this topic, would recommend! https://youtu.be/oXgp7IGnvKA


I wonder if some degree of RPM-dependent shape change could be designed, like F1’s flexi-wing trick that extends its aerodynamic operating range


Controllable pitch propellers are actually already outfitted on something like ~30% of shipping vessels.

https://www.savree.com/en/encyclopedia/controllable-pitch-pr...

But these use actuators to mechancially adjust the pitch rather than relying on deformation.

Twisting a few props about a their axes is a lot simpler than the geometry changes that are required acros the control surfaces of a toroidal prop, however. I don't think that would even be feasible


Do we know what mechanism causes efficiency loss at mismatched RPMs?

What if multiple props are arranged in a series, akin to how turbo engines have stages with different compression ratios, but instead of a fixed shaft with varying blade geometry we have varying differential rotation speeds between them adjusted based on RPM?


This series of videos from Rcestflight is some nice testing of different RC boat propeller designs. It was a competition with a prize and people could send their designs to be 3d printed. There was at least one toroidal design as well. They could show this stuff at schools...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeTh-TIhL9M


I've been seeing articles about these for a couple of years now. How long til I can buy a drone with one?


Foxeer makes some for drones.

There are all sorts of youtube videos for DIY/3d printed, including metal printing.



The same thing exists for eFoils. We (riders) haven't been too impressed with them.


Does „not too impressed“ mean they are worse than a normal propeller or just not better?


They seem to make the ride smoother, but they don't seem to help much with distance/runtime per battery charge. Like a minimal/marginal improvement in that regard, vs a standard prop.




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