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Interesting, but I don't think those details will be ameliorative to the people who are concerned (e.g. U.S. Congress).

In fact, I wonder if it may further underscore their concerns, given that it surfaces the interconnectedness between all of these firms.




Would you say that US-based apps that use e.g. Google Analytics, and therefore share information with Google, "surface the interconnectedness between all of these firms" and are a good reason to e.g. ban apps from US-based developers?


My comment starts with the reality that some people (e.g. U.S. Congress) find cause for concern WRT Chinese apps.

This is the reason, say, revelations about interconnectedness matter when it comes to Chinese apps versus U.S. apps.

You may disagree about whether there should be cause for concern, but that's another matter.

But, if you're asking me if I personally think there's cause for concern around allowing a foreign adversary access to your citizenry via social media platforms, then the answer is yes.

And, of course, China itself also believes it's a problem, which is why U.S. social media is banned there.


If you consider all Chinese apps suspect because they're Chinese then it doesn't make any difference whether they're connecting to another app or not. For anyone who doesn't already think Chinese apps are automatically their adversary, I don't see how a Chinese app using a Chinese metrics framework in exactly the same way that is completely routine for US apps using US metrics frameworks (and indeed any number of other countries) is supposed to move the needle on how suspicious this app is.


>If you consider all Chinese apps suspect, then it doesn't make any difference whether they're connecting to another app or not.

>For anyone who doesn't already think Chinese apps are automatically their adversary...

I think we're drifting from the original context. My point was that some people, including many in U.S. Congress, do take issue with at least some Chinese apps (let's just say TikTok here). This concern is at least partially WRT its data collection/handling and espionage. So any other apps that connect to it (or its parent company's products) and provide data would obviously also be viewed as problematic.

Incidentally, this isn't necessarily related to whether that other app is China-based.

You brought in the question of whether U.S. companies would face similar scrutiny for connecting to other U.S. companies, and I was merely explaining the difference.


Not the op, but yes, I would; this is why I approve of GDPR and the cookie popup rules and am actively angry at every company who think it's legit to share browsing habbits with more "trusted partner" companies than there were students in my secondary school.


Yep.

No one cares about the details. (Heck, I'd be willing to wager good money that the politicians and most of their staffers don't even understand the details). In the end, it's just one more reason that Chinese models will not be legal in the US in the near future.


> it's just one more reason that Chinese models will not be legal in the US in the near future

This isn't about the model, it's about the mobile app.

The open source model weights are different from the website and the app. The model cannot track you.

Not just Congress, even techies can be confused about these things.


Yes, exactly, what the guy above was saying is that they're just looking for excuses to keep people from using the Chinese thing.


Protectionism can be dumb, if competition from china is decimation the US LLM market, making the cheaper better competitors illegal sounds like sound advice to someone like trump, probably?


Or Obama. See: Wolf Amendment. [1]

Following typical tropes about China, "we" decided to ban space cooperation with them because they were just going to steal American space tech or whatever. That's why, to this day, you never see Chinese on the ISS. Of course China then became the 2nd largest player in space, behind only SpaceX, launched and manned their own space station, sent a rover to Mars, carried out unprecedented sample return missions from the dark side of the Moon, and just generally ran circles around the US sans SpaceX.

If it wasn't for this dumb law, it's likely NASA would have been able to use Russia, China, and SpaceX as redundancies for getting Americans to the ISS as one country/company fell out of favor with this administration or that. As was we ended up turning to Boeing for a redundancy. For those that don't follow space news, the 2 astronauts Boeing [barely] sent to the ISS are still stranded up there after their vessel was deemed too dangerous to return in.

I oft wondered what it would have been like to live in Rome circa 460.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Amendment


yeah mostly picking on trump due to recent absurd tariffs logic (see: europe VAT lmfao)

anyways, hoping its not so bad!


All the major US tech firms are extremely competition averse. They are all cozying up to Trump so they can maintain their cartels.


> The model cannot track you.

Maybe it cannot but can it say inject a tracker in suggested code https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43121383




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