A lot of the media in the UK is very populist and anti-intellectual, celebrating questionable people (pop stars et al.) for their less than desirable achievements.
So it was good to see Tim being given such a platform celebrating his input into the world.
Refuse collection is worthy and widespread but not really something the UK leads in I feel nor would it likely provide the visuals the designer was aiming for ...
NB My personal favourite was the NHS/GOSH/kids-fiction section.
pretty much right at the moment he was revealed, sadly it wasn't from the computer he was using (it was from his iPhone) but a nice touch!
I actually wonder how many people under 20 know this.
Also, Brunel must have been quite an organizer to get done what he got done; TBL created the web almost alone.
This being the 3rd Olympic event in London, I'm surprised the estimate was that much off.
If they come up with a realistic (high) estimate, the project doesn't get done. That's a political loss - their cronies don't get paid, and they don't get to put their name on a big project. If they come up with an unrealistically low estimate, their cronies get paid and they rarely get voted out of office.
We spend more on interest on government debt in the UK than we do on defence.
Basically he says that budget estimations are prone to a cognitive fallacy by those with planning powers.
EDIT: added "estimations"
Though that is still massively not "in budget" (which, despite us knowing the figures and many of us being capable of basic arithmetic, some politicians still have the balls to try claim).
But the trusty Pirate Bay have the warez you crave!
Long PR story short: RPC was prevalent, that is how you control(led) your stuff remotely. Like Tim. Today, if you'd ask for a NeXT-like toy, you'd be denied were you an average Eastern. But western equivalent asked for it and got one, and put the gopher link address ptr in the reserved field of the text font properties (where things like bold and italics properties are stored) and voilà. You can also hire a cheap student to actually write the web client to be cross platform (its true virtue/value). Thanks to Nicola Pellow, of whom almost nobody knows about. Not to mention Groff, doing his compulsory civil service. Would the "web" have just run on NeXT, it would be long extinct, let alone take off.
On linking and hypertext: all post-war era stuff is spin. The real stuff comes from Belgium:
For ADD-ers: http://youtu.be/qwRN5m64I7Y
The story: http://www.archive.org/details/paulotlet
"How should we make it attractive for them [young people] to spend 5,6,7 years in our field, be satisfied, learn about excitement, but finally be qualified to find other possibilities?" -- H. Schopper
The answer is a nice PR story on the web --
On values at CERN, as a warning for non-western members:
"The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y)" [where Y>X]
source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report
ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264
Everyone here knows (or should know) that the internet started in the 60s (kinda, 1986 definitely), and WWW was a short project in 1989-1990 by TimBL, which just happened to catch on like wildfire (due to bandwidth increases, and cheap PCs more than anything else).
Tim Berners-Lee invented the first cut of HTTP (GET / POST etc), and got the ball rolling on HTML (which was basically a clone of the 1960s SGML).
Paul Otlet seems to have been something of a visionary (just like Ted Nelson, Project Xanadu's head).
TimBL was just in the right place, at the right time.
But it's silly to say that his only contribution was a few months writing WWW. He also wrote ENQUIRE 10 years before, which was kind of like Apple's HyperCard (1987 - between ENQUIRE and WWW).
There were lots of other Hypertext systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext#Implementations). But that doesn't mean TimBL was a fraud, simply that the media loves to simplify this kind of thing.
There are three years you can reasonably point to:
1969 was when the ARPANET project was founded by the DoD. This is the kitchen-sink-historian viewpoint: The ARPANET was the first packet-switched network and was certainly the ancestor of the Internet, but very little specific has carried over into the modern day. The main innovation from this early was packet-switching, or dividing up the message into a lot of little packets that are all individually addressed and can each make their own way to their ultimate destination. This provides reliability, simplicity, and economy compared to the phone system.
1977 was when the first gateway was demonstrated: Specifically, it was the first TCP-based transmission between three dissimilar networks. This is the functionalist viewpoint: Both TCP and the heterogeneous network-of-networks concept are essential to the modern Internet. The network-of-networks concept (implemented by gateways) allows different physical networks to share the same data, for example phone lines and Ethernet cables and WiFi. TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) guarantees reliable and in-order transmission of data over unreliable physical networks, mainly by resending packets that got lost. Once you have gateways and TCP, you have the modern Internet. http://www.computerhistory.org/press/30th-anniversary-intern...
1983 was when NCP was ditched for TCP/IP on the ARPANET. This is the most restrictive/pragmatic view: NCP was the underlying protocol suite/software used on the early experimental ARPANET, whereas the TCP/IP protocol suite (as implemented by a lot of different software) is what we use today. NCP was implemented by specialized hardware and would have been prohibitively expensive to replicate anywhere else, whereas the TCP/IP stack has been implemented multiple times for multiple kinds of hardware and on multiple OSes. TCP/IP allowed the Internet to take off.
Hobbs' Internet Timeline is interesting: http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
simply that the media loves to simplify this kind of thing.
The media (and the beeb, almost openly since Dr. Kelly) does what it has been "ordered" to do, ie. "maximising opportunity and minimising threat":
ps: Enquire was a Gutenberg project alike of a book (read digital form), which is admitted by TimBL. But you are right: information systems existed for a long time, and presumably will for a long time.
You're being downvoted because you keep reposting (word-for-word) the same nonsensical rant on HN and various other places around the web. Perhaps you could tidy it up between now and the next time you repost it so that we can understand your argument.
I think he may have a legitimate point to discuss. This old comment of his gives a clue as to what he's on about:
"""Berner was looking at RPC as his dayjob to give control commands to machines. What Berner did, was to use the Interface Builder's precursor on the NeXT he got as a toy to put a gopher-like link into the text properties field, where the font boldness, size ...and colour and underline were. This was quite graphical programming, and not world-wide at the time (NeXT was an expensive toy). Hardly an innovation. And not everybody was allowed to toy around -- certainly not western equivalents.
Nobody has really heard of Groff, Pellow, Nielsen and the rest, who made it work multiplatform, over the command-line, etc. ie. world-wide. Nobody was astonished by them back then, because what they were doing was nothing special: several such systems existed already both commercial and academic. They were the cheap students, whose work allowed it to be opened up and given away without charge. WWW grew like it did because of two reasons: it was free of charge, because it was actually made by cheap and disposable students, and the then changing climate of the deregulation of the internet, of which some companies ie. Vermeer, Netscape could take early advantage of.
CERN likes cheap students' work, and sell if off as stellar examples of innovation by CERN. Read Facts and Mysteries in Elementary Particle Physics by Veltman if you feel to downvote this because of CERN."""
And this is different from all other labs... how?
It isn't for pleasing anybody in eloquence, but to warn.
I am bitter because of the manipulative sociopaths abusing their position and power.
I guess your whole plan to get rich off of Videotex and the Prodigy online service just didn't work out, because of that meddling TBL.
An average Eastern what? Very, very few people anywhere got a NeXT system.
> the gopher link address ptr
Gopher had its chance, but the University of Minnesota thought it would be reasonable to charge licensing fees. The WWW won for multiple reasons, and that was a big one early on.
You really need to do some research.
Thanks for your kind advice: I did my fair amount of "research" and therefore had my fair share of TBL-s western colleagues too in the process, calendaring theory included.
You are right: WWW won for multiple reasons. First and foremost, they could afford to give it away for free, since it was produced by cheap disposable labour. And it also won, because of a change in legislation in the U.S.A., and those "analysts" who caught early wind of it wound up well (see Ferguson from Vermeer tech.: his book is also a nemesis to the Silicon Valley Tune). Even better, look into IB's story. The French lisper never got the real credit he deserves. Even Groff and BL have trouble remembering his name. You are picking on the wrong person.
 "what this thing called PhD actually is" -- http://pgbovine.net/PhD-memoir-comments.htm
Obviously untrue, given that the WWW was developed on a NeXT system.
> First and foremost, they could afford to give it away for free, since it was produced by cheap disposable labour.
I doubt TimBL was starving in a garret when he wrote the first WWW software; it could be given away because CERN had funding that had nothing to do with selling software, especially not software that solved a problem everyone up to that point thought had been solved already (with Gopher and FTP), or would be solved another way entirely (with Xanadu).
Racism is still pervasive in western countries, so it's certainly possible – my guess is likely – that it plays some role even at CERN, but what you are quoting there is no evidence for racism. That's an absurd interpretation.
Myself should be enough evidence. Hence my bitterness.
I know that. It seems fewer and fewer others do.
Also, condescension works incredibly badly when you clearly did not read what you were responding to.
another cool things, the NeXT Cube was live on the web at the time and he tweeted from it.
Edit: someone just replied to me on twitter and mentioned that it was actually the Cube that he used at CERN, taken out of a museum for the ceremony.
This is the tweet that was sent out during the ceremony while he was on stage:
although it says 'via Twitter for iPhone' :)
At least, judging by the photos I've seen (http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/story/70/00/001744/berners-lee...) the monitor was shining bright yellow, when in reality they are greyscale monitors with a bluish cast. I think the monitor was a shell, fitted with a lamp to illuminate TBL from that side.
Perhaps the keyboard was wired up to a modern laptop or tablet, or some custom system tied in with the LED system at the stadium. Most likely, it was automated for precision and correctness, and he was just miming the typing.
Which is fine, IMHO, it's good stagecraft. Voldemort and the parachuting Queen weren't real either. The rest of the light show would have been preprogrammed, so it would make sense to do the same with the message written on the LED system.
But it was definitely a Cube, NeXT keyboard, NeXT mouse, and either a modified NeXT monochrome monitor or a close facsimile. There's a lot to be said for that, given how much easier it would have been to use, say, an iPad than a full Cube system - and an iPad would be vastly more recognizable to the audience, as well.
Its because she eats McDonalds and drinks Coca-cola that she has the physical prowess to pull off such a stunt.
I know, I'm British and have been paying attention to the carefully crafted messages from our Olympic Overseers for the past year. Open your eyes and you too can learn the truth...
No, I asked if they were claiming that. As in, I asked a question. Since when is that equivalent to making a claim?
The bottom line is, TBL's appearance in the opening ceremony clearly labelled him as the inventor of the WWW.
Not that I can see, no.