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Curious: what happens when Bluesky has all the same people/posts as Twitter? Will it be any better? Or will it just be the same thing on a new website?



Well, for a start it won't have Musk trying to break it. Like, its worst near-term case is probably 2022 Twitter. It's unlikely they'll do pay-for-attention, say; musk!Twitter is the only social network I know of to have done that outside the dating/hookup site world.

Also, though, it has significantly better self-serve moderation tools than Twitter ever did (they _kind_ of existed for pre-Musk Twitter as third-party stuff, though Musk's API changes broke most of them). For instance, I subscribe to a moderation list which auto-blocks transphobes, so I don't have to read their One Joke again and again (seriously, they've pretty much had the one thing for the last 20 years; you'd think they could at least come up with some new material). People who, er, enjoy the one joke are of course free to enjoy it by not subscribing to that mod list.

I do expect it to get worse over time as more people join, tbh; the current user base is rather self-selecting. But I don't think it will get as bad as current-Twitter. If it does, er, onto the next thing, I suppose.


I found the moderation and choosing your own feed with blocklists so far implies that even if you copied and pasted all the odious people from Twitter, I still would never see them, nor would any other thinking person, and they would die in darkness. Also, there are examples of the most odious people joining and BlueSky banning them sua sponte almost immediately.

So, I am optimistic.


Do you have any examples of the odious people being banned?

It was my understanding that with most social networks the moderation is usually very opaque/can only be gleaned from public comments. Examples would help to understand how BlueSky would systematically moderate differently than Twitter (or what the ban process is like).

Interestingly, if blocks are public, I guess you can audit the state of the interconnectedness between people, (seemingly what https://clearsky.app/ does?) and therefore, what has happened to the people odious enough to receive these blocks but not odious enough to be banned.


For all the whining about being blocked on Bluesky, no account has crossed the 100k blocking mark, far less than 1% of the user base


It's worth mentioning that X's problems with toxicity are greatly enhanced by its current leadership, so even if everybody switched to bsky tomorrow it would be different. There are far better tools for users to manage their own experience on bsky than X allows.

But, assume that bsky does turn to shit too... if nothing else the (successful?) migration from X shows that people are capable of moving - should bsky face its own calamity the friction to move again will be lower.

There's reason to hope that it won't end in total disaster though. It should (at some point) be possible to federate with bsky in a meaningful way, and perhaps a migration can be even easier than this one (i.e. you can switch to another instance that is run differently).


Campaign [https://freeourfeeds.com/] aims to safeguard social media from billionaires using Bluesky's tech [AT Protocol] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42686651


Well it probably won't promote people paying for blue checkmarks into my feed.


The ability to control your own experience via custom feeds makes Bluesky so delightful. The new X algo made it impossible to just follow the people I wanted to.


With proper, sensible moderation it won’t get the same posts. Twitter as it is now is what happens when you let certain types of filth be posted.


This launched today, trying to address your valid concerns:

> Bluesky is an opportunity to shake up the status quo. They have built scaffolding for a new kind of social web. One where we all have more say, choice and control.But it will take independent funding and governance to turn Bluesky’s underlying tech—the AT Protocol—into something more powerful than a single app. We want to create an entire ecosystem of interconnected apps and different companies that have people’s interests at heart. [0]

> FreeOurFeeds aims to build a new social media ecosystem on top of the AT Protocol, an open, decentralized framework designed to enable interoperable social media platforms, giving users greater control over their data, algorithms, and online experience (it’s what Bluesky runs on). They want to leverage this tech to create a social media ecosystem focused on individual control, creativity, community well-being, and free expression.

> They basically want to build Bluesky out from one company into a whole ecosystem of different apps and companies by making a non profit foundation that opens up its underlying technology so anybody can build on it. [1]

That last part is not very accurate. Anybody can build on it now. Their goal is to make a second AT Proto Relay [2] that is not under the control of Bluesky.

[0] https://freeourfeeds.com/

[1] https://www.usermag.co/p/freeourfeeds-a-30m-plan-to-take-bac...

[2] https://atproto.com/guides/glossary#relay


I don't believe that will happen. It looks like the eternal September will never leave the current giants. As more and more of the world came online, we passed a threshold where a majority of users are passive and undiscerning. The current giants are the generation of platforms that benefitted from this.


What do you mean by eternal September?


It describes an event in which a flood of new users come online and affect the quality of a network.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September



It will be better because Bluesky gives users control of the algo & moderation via the open ATProto(col). We get choice and competition without the switching cost (after you move over to ATProto)


It appears to have better blocking mechanics, so I don't know. The same content might exist there, but you won't see things that you filtered.


Bluesky has better self moderation tools. You can mute entire lists of accounts that have certain keywords in their posts or usernames.


It won't. BlueSky is heavily censored.


So is X.

When a MAGA civil war broke out on there around Christmas last year, accounts that opposed Elon were either disabled or lost their verified status.

You also can’t share links without their feed algorithm limiting your reach.

All social networks are censored in some form.


No, not "so is X". You can find only a few examples from months ago. While BS censorship is constant and vast.

Your attempt at gaslighting is pathetic.


Same thing but without Elon Musk. At this point (not) moving to Bluesky is just a vote of (no) confidence against Elon.


No, it's not just that. Twitter had already been going downhill when Musk took over. Even if the old ownership was still in charge, now would be a good time for early adopters to find the next generation of platforms.


I wish I was driven by feelings as so many others seem to be; would make my life much simpler.




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