Hey there /u/blacktechnology, could you email me a few seconds of your voice so I can upload it to this site and see how the cloning goes? I'd love to see what I could do with a copy of your voice. Kthxbye.
We've been advertising to get someone to take over the lease on a commercial building. Surprisingly, we've had several of what seem like very obvious scam attempts - people stringing us along, not trying to bargain (we are in a haggling country, people always try to bargain), asking us to wait unreasonable amounts of time, and finally when pressed breaking down into logical inconsistencies. So, not even good scam attempts.
I was wondering, what's the point? I mean, it's a building. You pay money, you sign the lease (in person), you get the use of the building. No money, no building. Where's the scam opportunity?
The only thing I can think of is that they're trying to get enough data and personal info to clone our voices and use that to try and gain access to bank accounts or to scam our relatives. Even if I'm wrong in this case, this seems like a major new vulnerability in society. I mean, if someone who sounded (and with video AI, perhaps even looked) exactly like me called up my mother and pretended I'd been violently robbed or had an accident, she'd transfer money in a heartbeat.
I'm considering that I should set up some kind of code system with my family for this. As in, if I ever end up in a situation where I need help, I'll use a particular code phrase. If I don't know it, assume it's an AI clone.
> I'm considering that I should set up some kind of code system with my family for this. As in, if I ever end up in a situation where I need help, I'll use a particular code phrase.
You absolutely should. And include something for videos (like FaceTime calls). Especially if these members of your family are boomers+
In Terminator 2, Arnold Schwarzenegger's character uses the family pet's name to determine that the foster parents were dead. I think something like this, that is knowledge-based and would be easy to remember in a crisis would work best.
There are potentially several reasons why people might do these things while not conforming to goodfaith practices.
One of them is potentially cloning your voice, another is market manipulation, and logical inconsistencies tend to mean its AI driven which is what bad actors have embraced to mount cost effective attacks.
I call these attacks because these are resource drain attacks intended to impose cost and cause interference.
The market manipulation aspects are quite subtle, and what I'm about to discuss applies to just about any place communication where you receive a signal from a person,is used.
First, time is cost, and as a bad actor you can impose cost through deceit in open societies by stringing people along and other interference.
You can also saturate the environment so that business cannot be done. Jamming the medium.
The business pays their people to do business (labor), and when they are interacting with an AI the cost asymmetry is striking. You have real customers mixed in with fake bad actors. There is a conversion ratio for successful business transactions.
Now consider what happens when that same business is flooded with offers for the same thing, and instead of 1 in 100, its 1 in 10000. You have cost for each prospective candidate transaction that is sunk cost. Those costs scale until you cannot make profit, go out of business, and fail. Even if you ignore most, if you can't differentiate the good from the bad, there is no way to optimize cost effectively.
The same type of ratio is used for signal to noise ratios in communications. If you can't communicate because you cannot differentiate between the signal and the noise, no communication becomes possible. This is communications jamming, and interference.
Then there is also the targeted psychological effects of the manufactured distorted reflective appraisal you have of the situation. People use reflected appraisal in their judgments every day, these insights are often feelings about observations you've seen, and by and large they may not accurately reflect reality when manipulated for intent.
If all you see is that transactions have become impossible to make, and you can't judge actual demand, you may make mistakes and have to shut down, or sell your business for pennies. This concentrates the market, and some people are always the winners in this type of exchange (generally not you).
You may also do other things based upon those manufactured distortions, and few question whether that reflected appraisal that you get is actually correct. It largely happens underneath perception, and these entities are targeting that.
In many respects, its a form of torture and mental coercion often without you recognizing or knowing about it; few actually react correctly.
Joost Meerloo, Robert Lifton, and Robert Cialdini wrote books covering the subject matters involved.
Similar happenings are occurring in the jobs market with ghost jobs. By imposing cost tortuously, you create a market floor where new entities can't enter the market, and where some entities who are in the market, will go out of business. Its fairly identify who benefits the most in such arrangements.
Interference, Sabotage, and Sieving, Concentration, and brittle failures.
Who might stand to gain, large corporations in the same business sector, nation-states who are on a pre-war footing seeking to destabilize and demoralize prior to a hot war.
A collapse of the market is something nation states might try and induce, because that is in effect the collapse of the economy.
Chaos drives smaller companies dependent on debt, out of business to be gobbled up by large companies concentrating the market sector.
With regards to AI cloning, yes you should set up subtle challenge responses phrases and code words.
Code words are vulnerable to being recorded and reused. They are sticky because its hard to memorize, and not one-time use.
Challenge response phrasing may simply be part of the conversation, but with special meaning only between you and them.
Perhaps you should be more specific in your comments if you don't want to run afoul of the HN no snipe policy. Backhanded baseless comments are snipes.
Your comment as it stands is structured in a way to discredit without rational basis as a nullification, and follows overgeneralized fallacy.
Improper reasoning, false association, and false implication in all. You are actually doing the very thing you falsely claim others are doing.
Reckless and baseless claims can demonstrate intent through negligence. Did you intend that?
A "Panphonic Poem" is what may do well here. As in...
The pleasure of Shawn’s company
Is what I most enjoy.
He put a tack on Ms. Yancey’s chair
When she called him a horrible boy.
At the end of the month he was flinging two kittens
Across the width of the room.
I count on his schemes to show me a way now
Of getting away from my gloom.
Default for me was:
“What a beautiful day it is today, with bright sunshine and gentle breeze. Let's talk about the future of artificial intelligence.”
That said, I'm not going to be submitting a sample because [reasons]
This is almost definitely against GDPR, there's no indication whatsoever of which legal entity is holding the data and how long it is stored on which servers where.
Has anyone tried multiple iterations? That is, upload a real voice, get its synthesized version, upload synthesized version 1 to get synthesized version 2, rinse and repeat...
Every time there's a voice recognition post here someone comments about acquiring data. Why is this method better than having access to all of the video and podcasts sites on the internet?
Immediately, i thought that cybersecurity is now ruined for the distant future. Imagine if you will, a starship captain ready with a plot to overcome the evil plaguing their crew...and all they need to do is over-ride the starship computer's safety controls with the captain';s own voice override authorization...but, alas, early in 2025 a tech company developed the means by which said evil entity could re-override the captain's voice auth....and block the captain's plan...thereby dooming the entire crew of the starship.
This is why we can not have nice things; not now nor in the far off future! All of our uniqueness will be more easily duplicated. Thankfully, i won';t upload any of my voice recordings, and i will continue to walk around in my faraday cage suit. /s
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