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Ask HN: How to navigate co-founder model with ambiguous roles?
5 points by ssangani 5 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 9 comments
It's an early stage bootstrapped startup with two co-founders and an advisor (48/48/4 split). I met the co-founder through work, we worked together for nearly 1.5 years before he was laid-off. We both come from technical background, and have both good experience in building 0 to 1 products.

I had always talked about how I want to start my own startup. After layoffs we were casually talking, and about a month ago we decided to start exploring what we could do.

Initially we explored couple of ideas in industries which both of us were somewhat familiar with. But nothing really stuck. Co-founder found this niche in healthcare which seems promising, so we decided to explore further. Since neither of us were SMEs, we agreed to set aside 4% equity for an advisor (contingent on revenue goals), who can help us gain more exposure & industry contacts.

Since the co-founder is more familiar with the industry (it was their minor during college) and has free 9-5, he took the lead on discovery work around user interviews. Since I'm good with arts & tech, I helped with some creative stuff and setting up some dev basics. I'm good at finance stuff, so I took a lead on creating a cap table and accounting spreadsheets.

Recently we experienced some friction, mostly because I felt a certain lack of collaboration. We never really discussed the insights from user interviews or path ahead. Co-founder started writing down PRD and designing wireframes. Some of the scheduled interviews were flaky, which frustrated the co-founder, so he decided to cancel them and decided he has enough information to move forward.

Again, I don't know much about the industry, I am still trying to catch up on industry jargon and understanding the problem space. To my co-founder the problem space is very obvious to get started. I have lot of questions about the vision, the product, the approach etc. If he had product or design experience, maybe I would have more faith. In past he has mocked PMs couple of times (jokingly). I critiqued wireframes he shared, which he brushed off saying these are very early stage and I don't understand design process. I asked how come these wireframes had so much styling if they were early wireframes. He replied, it can't be helped if they become high fidelity more he organizes the diagrams.

Co-founder blames this on me having a 9-5 as he has more time to explore and move fast. But that seems tad unfair because I try to set aside weekends and 5-9 to this venture, while he's only available 9-5 on weekdays.

My first question is, should I keep letting him forge ahead while I lack clarity around vision & product decisions?

My second question is, how should I set & enforce boundaries around finances? Till now he hasn't spent that much money but there's been no discussion on any of the expenses. I'm concerned that if we get credit cards, I might just end up seeing larger line items we never talked about.




I don’t want to be exclusively negative but I have to say that it seems like you both have no idea how to work together.

Since saying the above, while obvious, is not helpful so I would suggest that you both sit together for however long it takes and figure out a framework you both can agree and stick to to solve differences as well as who is the owner of each individual process that will be required.

If you can’t make that work now, while there’s really nothing going on, can you imagine when (if) something is really on the line?

Take that chance and also figure out what is the exit criteria. What do you do when one of you want to get out of the venture?

Never enter into any sort of agreement without knowing how do you get out. It’s much easier to figure those things out now than when you are at a point of wanting to get out.


Fair. We've worked well together for past 1.5 years, but I suspect it might be because our roles & boundaries were clearly defined. We didn't have that talk when we kicked off this venture.

Early on I broached the topic with list of questions such as how do we disagree, how to handle breakup, hot buttons, practices/guidelines around finances. I need to push again to get those answers.


You are trying to focus too much on money and control. Instead focus on experience, are you learning new things, are you somewhat enjoying the process.

There are ways to communicate your objections without triggering other person defensive response.


Am I learning new things? Yes. But not sure if I'm learning enough to be effective. There's still lot of industry jargon terms, processes, norms which I don't understand. I only understood part of IA doc that was shared, nor the PRD. Am I somewhat enjoying the process? Until now, yes. I just don't like not knowing what's happening.


Vague. Felt a certain lack of collaboration on what?

Did you want to collaborate on making the wireframes?


Discovery process. I wasn't in any of user interviews, but a short discussion on insights from those interviews would help me. I didn't understand first set of wireframes tbh, so I asked a lot of questions and it sort of got frustrating trying to pull information out of his head. I didn't even realize they were wireframes until late.


Therefore you have to go be in those user interviews

Did you go be in those user interviews?


No. I should've asked to be added to those zoom meetings in hindsight.


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