I have used Coda since 1.0, but later switched to TextMate and now, Sublime Text. And eventually, I replaced all the good parts of Coda with something that wouldn't work with Coda as well:
- I write Ruby, not PHP, and it's not one-input-file-equals-one-output-file at all. So preview is not that useful. Completion probably won't work for Ruby as well as for PHP, and so on.
- I don't write CSS or JS anymore, and I don't think I could live without my SCSS or CoffeeScript (well, I can, but it's painful). So all the fancy CSS GUI pop-ups don't help, I have a probably even better solution in code and mixins.
- Finally, all the UI seems to be Novice-friendly, with sidebars and tabs, while I don't even have a sidebar at all on ST2, and just use Cmd+T for opening / switching files.
Also, as for the site itself, the demo tour looks awesome (even though a bit crammed).
All the best to them! I won't be upgrading, but I think many will find Coda 2 a great improvement.
P.S. I love that they list app being "Retina-Ready" while we still don't have any retina Macs yet :)
Coda is really pretty and wish i could have some of my workflow.
I don't know anyone using Coda except a friend who chickenscratches together jQuery scripts and pieces of PHP. He's not a craftsman.
Just to be clear: Panic makes some great software and they're some really talented guys. I just dislike Coda.
Just for fun: Textmate user for 5 years, have shifted to Sublime because I enjoy some of it's key commands better. They're very similar though. vim on the server.
No offense but I would NEVER hire anybody who subscribed to your way of thinking.
I agree with both of you though. My frontend co-workers need to constantly have that browser window open and complain about their F5 key wearing thin, while I'm lucky if I manage to remember what local domain name I assigned to Apache that points to the project I've been working on for the past 8 hours. My code tests tell me everything I need to know, and I can tell whether or not they're passing from my same terminal window.
We all use different tools, many times to solve the same problem, and on occasion we'll use the same tools to solve different problems. The wheel wasn't a breakthrough in the transportation technology only, it also sparked the mechanical revolution once someone meshed two together.
However, I think their usage of CSS3 transforms to focus on different parts of the video is pretty clever. Watching the video on its own feels rather bland in comparison.
(also, it may well be your machine – my laptop's CPU usage never gets above ~10% while watching it... just say'n is all)
The Panic guys definitely did work to make the site work in different browsers. There's some notes up on their blog at http://www.panic.com/blog/2012/05/notes-from-the-bleeding-br.... Of interest is the fact that they spent a day trying to figure out why Firefox was broken, but stopped when they discovered that Firefox 13 Beta 1 fixes it. They also put in workarounds for Chrome/Firefox bugs.
In any case, even if they hadn't done that, there's a far cry between "Designed for IE on Windows", and using new web standards that aren't fully implemented in all browsers yet.
My point, though, was that to me it highlighted a more symptomatic issue, that a certain segment of the population, who used to rail against discrimination against their chosen platform, are more than happy to cheerlead / defend / exonerate discrimination for their chosen platform.
2. No new programming environment will ever satisfy advanced vim users without adding a "vim emulation" mode, thus satisfying #1. (p.s. I am a vim user)
I'd say my Vim skills are somewhere between novice and intermediate and feel entirely out-of-place editing text without vim bindings nearby.
The one thing ST2 REALLY NEEDS is :set rnu.
This is a Dreamweaver killer for CMS themers, no need to bring Vim into the conversation.
The app looks great but I think the tab interface looks really...just dumb. I don't understand why so much of my screenspace has to be filled with this obtrusive icon preview of an entire webpage (which you can't completely see), page of code (which you can't completely see), MySQL editor (which you can't comp-ok you get my point).
Otherwise looks good.
The new features make it look like for WordPress or other MySQL-backed CMSes, it'll be super nice.
Would love to know if they plan on doing more to get developers to create more add-ons for Coda. The community is there, but it's super small compared to TextMate, Sublime Text and even Espresso.
Still, as a rule, I buy anything Panic puts out so I'm getting this on Thursday.
ETA: I think the real brilliance here is Diet Coda for iPad. AirPreview is genius and bringing subset editing functionality to the iPad in a meaningful way is great.
There’s no editing functionality, just a preview of the page.
I feel a bit sorry for Panic. Their designs, imo, have been mimicked so much across the internet that their site now looks old and cliche. It's not their fault and it looks very nice, but because so many sites use it I just can't stand it now.
So everyday text editors don't really work for me. I have tried remote mounting SSH and using text editors that way but its never been as smooth as Coda with the integrated file browsing.
Having a dedicated dev server is a real treat if you want to code from multiple machines and need a real robust server environment.
I do wish it could be a permanent fixture on the sidebar though... not sure if this is possible or not with a plugin.
That said, it looks like they added a bunch of features I would have loved back then.
All the file navigation can easily be done with a keyboard short cut similar to sublime, no need for 50 different ways to do it. The mysql editor looks half assed as well. Where is the improved support for Ruby they mentioned?
Coda 2 looks like an improved version of iweb in the ilife suite.
Really expected more for Panic as I was really excited for Coda 2.
I wonder if they will honour the offer they made during a coda 1 promotion in early 2009. I forget the exact details but there was the promise of a code 2 discount or some kind.
Either way, nice job
"You code the web. We revolutionized that process in Coda, putting everything in one place. An editor. Terminal. CSS. Files."
There was nothing in the Help/FAQ either, so it wasn't until I manually navigated to panic.com, seeing that they do Apple apps, that I finally got pretty sure it wouldn't be available for my platform.
Thats a pretty big bummer considering it's the most compelling feature. Also, I know panic is a mac only shop, but platform locked desktop apps seem a bit unsavory these days. Especially applications for developers.
Coda has always been for the "front end" developer. I've moved on to PHPStorm and Sublime. But I will be taking look at Coda 2.
I don't see the cost anywhere?
That just seems like a huge mistake to me. Surely the point of being silent in development was to have this big unveiling. Shouldn't the sale then kick off right now while we're still (in theory) amazed at it?
(Especially with MAS not offering refunds...)
I will say I like the embedded editors for colors in CSS, but that was the biggest improvement I think I see.
I wouldn't buy Coda 2 from the App Store before June 1st if I were you.
Source: the email Apple sent to all registered Mac developers in February.
Citation required. Can you back up that statement? Everything else that I've seen indicates that Apple will require apps submitted after June 1 to be sandboxed. I've seen nothing indicating they'll pull old apps.
Furthermore, what's to say they can't get custom entitlements? Apple is extremely eager to have every app sandboxed and has emphasized many times they'll work with apps who need permissions not in the standard set of entitlements to build custom entitlements.
I have a huge respect for Panic (specially for their taste in design) and I use their products, but not addressing this issue seems very unprofessional to me.
I am very excited for Diet Coda. I can't see myself doing serious code work on an iPad, but for quick fixes and small work, it would be great to have it on the go.
I only use coda for remote wordpress sites. It looks like it's even better for that, but for anything significant, sublime, along with a raft of individual tools seems to work way better.
The one Panic app I still use often is Transmit, so I wouldn't mind if they worked on upgrading that now that Coda 2 is near completion.
I'm all optimism about this.
I am not the target audience, though.
Tap the \ (backslash) key while the video is playing to reveal the entire screen.
A bit of a bitter pill, for sure, but considering that it's a total rewrite with massive new features, it seems fair.
That's what I was looking for - I bought it in the last month.
Thanks for your response.
2. List View and Groups [for Sites]
3. Git support
These features make me incredibly happy. Though I will probably stick to maintaining my ragtag collection of tools (vim, cli tools etc.)
I'm wondering if there will be an upgrade license.