Almost every FDO member is an employee of a corporation. Some are required to use their corporate email for upstream contributions. This is all very normal.
Wow. This looks really bad and ideologically driven behavior from FDO member. As usual, the likely scenario is RedHat are unaware and the person who executed the ban is simply abusing their position of power.
This, unfortunately, is an extremely common occurrence throughout many dev communities today. Sadly, companies still have not learned the kind of damage it does to them and how inappropriate this kind of abuse is. Still someone should let RedHat representatives know that the account rights are being misused.
Perhaps creating a list is in order, so we know who to never give any rights to manage the community or participate across multiple projects?
Have you read the email conversation in question? Surely it made you concerned at least a little in regards to the state of FDO and RedHat?
Thinly and not so thinly veiled threats to another person to police their own, not related to FDO in any way, shape or form, community because it does not adhere to your political ideology sounds like a severe abuse of power to me.
FDO is a community, and having people be treated with respect is crucial for maintaining this community. Letting people with a history of not respecting others be a part of that community is a problem, even if that behavior was displayed elsewhere.
It doesn't address the contents of this particular incident, rather it alludes to vague and nice-sounding moral principles thereby brushing off the whole specific issue. It is interesting, because by staying general the author gets to shrink from taking the responsibility of giving their actual opinion on the specific incident itself.
I don't remember since when "bowing down to threats" is adhering to CoC and "openly threatening someone over resolved conflicts under the suspicion of wrongthink" was "respectful behavior from community representatives".
Either way, it is always "we're just policing the bad people" until the bad person is you.
It's both hilarious and sad to see a bunch of 30-40 year old open source devs with mentalities comparable to Reddit moderators collectively bullying a 20(?) year old slightly immature dude.
So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq
Changing someone's pronouns without their permissions seems like least of their offenses.
Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).
Vaxry has since responded to this and apologized numerous times.
As he states many times in his blogposts, he ais apologetic for this incident
I, like him, fail to see why this keeps on being brung up. The server and him have changed drastically, it's not very fair to judge a changed person on their past actions.
That's immature and unthoughtful behaviour, but I fail to see "hate" or continued spreading of "hate", why a Wayland compositor uses Discord as a community forum given Discord is the gutter when it comes to online converse , who knows.
Discord is much, much more convenient than the historic alternatives like IRC or email. If you want a project to grow you have to meet prospective developers where they are; and in the 2020s that's X (Twitter), Mastodon, and Discord. Discord communities can be moderated to be safe and friendly... but Vaxry couldn't be arsed to do so because he's "based".
As to whether Vaxry was "really" promulgating hate... Refusing to acknowledge and respect a person's gender identity is transphobic.
Condoning this behavior (and victim-blaming the person who called it out) is transphobic.
When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.
Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct (as she has the authority and duty to do) just means that FreeDesktop would ban him again harder if they could.
> When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.
This email is a very good demonstration on why you don't negotiate with terrorists or politburo representatives.
They have gotten where they are exactly because they enjoy abusing the power given to them. Pleading your case before them is to just give them amusement.
They will spit on the work you carefully worked on throughout the years and celebrate that.
Thus, you don't negotiate. Instead, you go to their higher-ups and highlight that the company's resources are being misappropriated for petty squabbles and personal tilting at windmills.
Though sadly nowadays it has gotten way more difficult, because a greater portion of bureaucratic, community and HR positions in the companies are captured, so when the damage is noticed, it may already be too late.
So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq
Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).
Stay out of other people's business. What they say and do in their discord server has nothing to do with code contributions an owner of the server makes.
No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR. Something that historically hasn't been done, resulting in a chilling effect on contributions from decent people, especially those from marginalized groups. That's changing.
You can fulminate about trans people all you like in the quiet of your own home, but if you harass or intimidate them in a publicly viewable way, there will be consequences. And when a code of conduct board member for a project approaches you and tells you you need to do better, any response other than "Yes, sir/ma'am/other, I will do better" is grounds for questioning whether you should be permitted to contribute further to the project.
The more you talk the more people will avoid you and people like you. You are not holding people accountable you are having a power trip and enacting vengeance on perceived transgressions. He did not harass anyone and for past transgression he apologize but the CoC board member felt like he needed a power trip. People like you should be held far away from any position of power.
Unless Lyude decides you need to be banned for something that happened in a different place multiple years ago, in which case your valuable contributions mean nothing and you're no longer allowed to contribute.
If you wish to study physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and the dean finds out that you have a history of painting swastikas on buildings and decides to ban your ass from campus, it's not exactly an arbitrary or capricious decision.
IMO, the rude and unprompted initial email was "inflammatory." It was responded to in kind, which the sender did not take well.
If you're that upset about someone publishing a supposedly formal email that you sent, perhaps you should consider why that is instead of just knee-jerk banning the person to protect yourself.
There's more than enough competent people who aren't asocial edgelords. Most people are happy letting other people live their lives and will in fact shit on people who don't allow others to do the same.
That's not hall monitoring, that's what the both of us think we're doing. Difference is one of us is shitting on people who would exclude others based on their identity, and the other is shitting on people who would shit on people who would shit on people based on their identity. You're not against shitting on people, you just want to be allowed to shit on other people without consequence. That's not how the world works. Talk shit, you get shown the door.
The reference to asociality and anti-sociality is rather ironic in the context of abuse of power and specifically going out of one’s way, as a paid employee, to harm someone working on OSS projects full-time for free.
Since stripping the nitpicky word out detracts from the comment a negligible amount, since always. It's obnoxious word and tone policing that doesn't say anything.
You're right that you're not a hall monitor though. You're worse, actually, because you are actually committing a good deal of the harassment of real people yourself. You have in these very comments. You're bullying people away and pretending that this is better than preventing someone from entering their own well-kept garden.
You (attempted to) tell a trans woman that they weren't a real woman. That's not anything to do with censorship or anything "noble," that's just transphobia and you're just a bully. Fuck off, dude.
We don't have to tolerate assholes even if they're really, really good.
But uhhh... Lyude, Alyssa Rosenzweig, Xe Iaso, Gankra, Ariadne Conill, Sage Sharp... There are an absurd number of highly competent trans developers who have made profoundly significant contributions to the open source ecosystem and justly ascended to leadership positions because of it. Right-wing edgelords? Not so much. In fact without trans people you wouldn't have a computer to type your right-wing screeds on: Lynn Conway invented VLSI and Sophie Wilson co-developed the ARM architecture. So yes, ban the fascist edgelords. Nothing of value will be lost.
Hacker culture is queer, furry, neurodiverse. Deal with it.
I understand person is a board member of conduct group for FDO. But using the redhat email is definitely a 1990s power move.
If RH or IBM have no association, then this is likely grounds for punishment or sudden dismissal. Even if the RH guy is “right”.
Whole situation smells to me.