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How many bait-and-switch cases has Tesla so far been caught with? The self driving car promise is perhaps the longest running claim.


I find it confusing that people like the Nikola guy have been charged with fraud, but Elon musk hasn't.


Well Nikola never made a single model past a few prototypes, while the Model Y was the world's best selling car model, for starters...


It's simultaneously true that Tesla has delivered some very nice cars, and that they haven't been able to deliver a fully-autonomous "full self driving" experience. That's why it's so weird that they're (apparently) abandoning their plans for an affordable EV and going all in on robotaxis.


> That's why it's so weird that they're (apparently) abandoning their plans for an affordable EV and going all in on robotaxis.

Tesla's track record of bait-and-switch promises and lack of credibility leads me to believe they do not have anything to show for, and the robotaxi claim is yet another desperate attempt to keep the stock prices afloat.


Tesla kind of cheats to get those numbers, since they don't do model years. If you did that with other cars, the model Y wouldn't come close.


I have no idea what contortion you’re trying to get at. Just in the year 2023, Model Y outsold all other models globally.

2023 Model Y: 1.15m units

2023 Corolla: 1.13m units

https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Indeed%....


No they “cheat” by only having 4 models of car you can buy (5 if you include the Cybertruck).

How many models does Toyota sell? As of 2009 that was 70 different models. Not sure what the number is for 2024


Tesla also never made a single model of their truck past a few prototypes. Am I missing something?


About 100 have been built and PepsiCo are the first customers. They were obviously prioritizing Model Y ramp up, which went from 0 to 1.15m units in 2023, the world best selling car model, in just a couple years.


Wait, are you saying you actually believe they're building those trucks? I thought it was more or less acknowledged that would never happen.

If you believe this stuff you probably should put your money where your mouth is and buy some stock.


Idk why you need to get conspiratorial. Tesla employees have confirmed they're using the Semi trucks to drive battery packs between Nevada and Fremont factory, and that they have a fleet of 100 of them as of 4 months ago. PepsiCo has confirmed use of them.

Stock Market 101 would educate one that just because a company is doing well, doesn't mean it's balance sheet and income statement currently indicate it's a good value to buy. But yes, I did ride Tesla stock from a $40b market cap company to $700b, thanks to an educated analysis.


Are you still long?


No. Doesn’t change the facts about the trucks that are widely known by any hedge fund algo or analyst.


So why don't you put your money where your mouth is?


These are basic facts that are priced in. Also my comment: "Stock Market 101 would educate one that just because a company is doing well, doesn't mean it's balance sheet and income statement currently indicate it's a good value to buy."

Are you currently shorting it, then?


Sold on promises that have never been delivered. And they're still selling "FSD" for an insane amount. Elon seems to be America's favorite grifter at the moment.




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