You are lying, Alexandre de Moraes used illicit instruments and acted against the Brazilian constitution, not just once, but multiple times
he no longer followed the constitution even before January 8
an example is the infamous fake news inquiry, in which he is the judge, defendant and accuser, this is not normal in a democracy.
As a supreme court judge, he has unlimited powers and has abused it, and despite not being the only judge in the country, he concentrates everything related to Bolsonaro to himself.
And under Brazilian law, he is an electoral judge and a supreme court judge at the same time, he takes advantage of this to concentrate power
Don't believe what the person above says, he's probably left-wing and supports the illegalities of the Brazilian supreme court.
> You are lying, Alexandre de Moraes used illicit instruments and acted against the Brazilian constitution, not just once, but multiple times
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> he no longer followed the constitution even before January 8
Would you please provide references for us that don't know this background?
> As a supreme court judge, he has unlimited powers and has abused it, and despite not being the only judge in the country, he concentrates everything related to Bolsonaro to himself.
That is not how it works.
I won't even get into the separation of the "Three Powers" (legislative, executive and judiciary): he shares "the power" with other 10 supreme-court judges [1], and he is not even the president of it!
Therefore, your comment seems off.
> Don't believe what the person above says, he's probably left-wing and supports the illegalities of the Brazilian supreme court.
That is an unfounded _ad hominem_ attack.
But let us present some facts:
* De Moraes is known for his conservative, and not left-wing, positions [2]; as a matter of fact, on Wikipedia it is written "Alexandre de Moraes sent armoured vehicles to suppress left-wing demonstrations."
* opening the tweet's author page [3], I get suggestions of Twitter of some similar authors, such as Tucker Carson, Robert Kennedy Jr. and Libs of TikTok; a quick scan of them show they are all conservative sources;
* opening the other tweets of the author [3], it is clear he is a conservative, defender of Donald Trump; let us remember that Donald Trump is an ally of Bolsonaro.
It is not difficult to put it all together and see those "files" should be taken with A LOT OF GRAIN OF SALT, to put it politely.
Also, it is widely known that Bolsonaro wasn't a great president, and that his supporters (and himself) intensively attack De Moraes.
Besides, what a bizarre situation: Brazil got two presidents impeached, and they did not make such a steer on the legal decision. But Bolsonaro is being investigated for his attempted coup d’etat, and instead of collaborating with the Justice system, he is attacking a Supreme Court's judge. That, itself, raises a lot of suspicion on both his attitudes and the news surrounding it.
I won't even get into the separation of the "Three Powers" (legislative, executive and judiciary): he shares "the power" with other 10 supreme-court judges [1], and he is not even the president of it!
Yes, that's how it works, it's a mistake to think that the Brazilian supreme court works like the American one
in the Brazilian supreme court there is an instrument called "monocratic decision", in which a judge of the supreme court can make decisions alone.
Obviously the other judges have to analyze the monocratic decision later, but until they do, the "monocratic decision" is valid.
Alexandre de Moraes has already suspended Telegram in Brazil using "monocratic decision".
Alexandre de Moraes has already threatened to arrest Facebook employees in Brazil, because Facebook did not want to suspend profiles worldwide, it only wanted to suspend them locally.
>De Moraes is known for his conservative, and not left-wing, positions [2]; as a matter of fact, on Wikipedia it is written "Alexandre de Moraes sent armoured vehicles to suppress left-wing demonstrations."
Alexandre de Moraes was conservative, he is currently leftist
He appears on TV defending the fake news bill, he forced Telegram to send a positive message about the fake news bill, he ordered Telegram to delete the company's opinion on the fake news bill and put his opinion on it.
This goes against the Brazilian constitution, but the supreme court has unlimited powers and any order from it will be followed by the Federal Police.
Monark, a Brazilian influencer who currently lives in Miami, was fined R$300,000 (60,000 USD) by Alexandre de Moraes for not believing in electronic voting machines.
This goes against the Brazilian constitution, but the supreme court has unlimited powers and any order from it will be followed by the Federal Police.
> they did not make such a steer on the legal decision.
That's not true. The second impeached president said at the time that it was a coup d'état, and to this day she says it was a coup d'état.
The party of the second impeached president also says it was a coup d'état
Brazilian freedom of expression has always been less than the American one, but De Moraes reduced it even more.
This is is an informative and well referenced HN comment that captures the nature of this supreme court quite well.
There were some "environmentalprogress" articles submitted to HN about this matter. Not idea how trustworthy that source is but they seemed to be quite thorough. I generally only link major news websites so I'll refrain from linking them.
> I won't even get into the separation of the "Three Powers" (legislative, executive and judiciary)
Doesn't matter. Separation of powers? Ha. This is Brazil.
Legislative? Supreme court legislates, has been legislating for years, decades. They were all voting on the legality of abortion and drugs just months ago. This one judge even went to the actual legislators with "suggestions" on the censorship bill that he personally supported. When he didn't get his way, he used his electoral court judge position to ram it down our throats anyway.
Executive? Our world touring champagne sipping socialist president would not even be in power right now were it not for these guys. They literally released him from the jail he was incarcerated at in order to take out Bolsonaro. It's not even a secret, they literally showboat about it in public. They're quite proud of it all. In fact it's probably Lula's political strategy to ally with the supreme court to impose whatever he wants on the people, just like his Venezuelan dictator buddy.
Judiciary? They can't even keep themselves separate. All this began in 2019 or so when some magazine published some damning article on one of these guys. Thus began the "fake news" inquisition which is still on-going to this day half a decade later. They gave themselves seemingly unlimited powers to censor anyone they want over a magazine article or something. The supreme court itself is the victim, the investigator, the judges and the executors. It's comical.
> he shares "the power" with other 10 supreme-court judges, and he is not even the president of it
Guess whose name is listed as the leader of the aforementioned inquisition which greatly expanded the supreme court's powers.
> But Bolsonaro is being investigated for his attempted coup d’etat, and instead of collaborating with the Justice system, he is attacking a Supreme Court's judge.
- 8 of 11 supreme ministers were appointed by the ruling mafia. Recently Lula appointed his lawyer and his minister of justice as supreme court ministers.
- Deltan Dallagnol, one of the prosecutors in the Operation Car Wash which imprisoned Lula and the most voted congressman for the state of Paraná was expelled from congress by the STE (composed in half by STF ministers) via a reinterpretation of a technicality.
> Recently Lula appointed his ... minister of justice as supreme court ministers.
A self-admitted communist no less. And Lula bragged about that fact. "For the first time in history, we have a communist in the supreme court" or something like that. This country just gets better and better every day.
> Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro recently attempted a coup d'etat to overthrow Brazilian democracy.
LOL if only he had had the balls to actually attempt it. Ran away to the US like the coward he is, allowed everybody who ever supported him to take the fall and still got arrested and persecuted by literal communists. It's actually pretty funny.
There was no "coup". There was a protest. Identical to many others in the past, down to the "people all over the buildings" imagery. It was not the first time people have occupied the Brasília buildings and it certainly won't be the last. Just like this one for example:
"High corruption in the government" indeed. The irony is palpable.
> Don't trust internet influencers to know better than law professionals.
I have actually met many law professionals. Always made sure to listen closely to everything they had to say. Truth is reality is actually even worse than whatever's being presented here.
Sometimes they make the most innocuous sounding comments that nevertheless are reveal quite a lot about the brazilian status quo. Quite a few of the lawyers I've met were prone to expressing their frustration with the fact that "instead of interpreting the constitution, the supreme court judges decided to legislate instead". And those were the polite ones. They could get quite cynical about it.
The helplessness permeates their speech like an incurable depression. The supreme court legislates. These judges got zero votes and yet they legislate. Nothing is done about it. Nothing can be done about it. Sometimes I wonder if they expected the supreme court to become the victims, the juries and the executioners too. I wonder if they were shocked at all when all this stuff went down. I wonder if they were shocked when they saw this judge approaching the actual legislators with "suggestions" in hand for the proposed censorship law, only to then ram it down people's throats by force of his "electoral court resolutions" after the law was rejected by the elected representatives of the brazilian people.
This supreme court disease stretches back nearly a decade and that's just when I began to notice it. Wouldn't be surprised if it stretched back to the very creation of these institutions.
> Let's imagine, hypothetically of course
Yeah, let's help HN truly imagine how barbarous and uncivilized this country is. Tell me HN, how would you feel if some power tripping american judges somehow found a way to give themselves unlimited powers to "combat disinformation", only to immediately begin censoring their political enemies? How would you feel if these judges just started straight up censoring Trump and his campaign? And when Trump loses they proceed to go to conferences to publicly brag about how they personally abused their powers to defeat Trumpism?
How would you feel if the supreme court judges whose literal job it is to interpret your constitution just took a big shit on it instead? And literally nothing was done about it? How disgusted would you feel? I really want to know.
HN might not actually need to imagine it. Google did a little campaign against their "fake news" law which amounted to putting a small link on their home page. For that most grievous crime of "abuse of market power", these same judges censored the company. They ordered it to take it down or face totally arbitrary fines of about 200kUSD per hour until they took it down.
Hey man I'm Portuguese but just wanted to say how fucked up what's happening in Brazil (Brasil) is. The worst part is how people are fine with it. If you go to r/Brasil you'll see endless mobs cheering the supreme court.
What's the political situation like? Do most people agree with what's going on? Are they uninformed like in Portugal? Is it a loud internet minority thing?
It's a loud internet minority thing. r/brasil is a bubble, the moderators censor anything that go against their narrative, what isn't censored is downvoted and if you manage to overcome that they will ban you at the first opportunity.
> What's the political situation like? Do most people agree with what's going on?
The absolute majority of people that I've met don't agree with what's going on and despise Lula, after all he was supposed to be in jail and not in power.
The official narrative dominates the mainstream media and some bubbles that benefit from the establishment (e.g. government employees, elites) but the opposition permeates everything else. To have some numbers, compare Bolsonaro and Lula livestreams views. Bolsonaro is often an order of magnitude ahead of Lula. And there are many which despise both (e.g. Nando Moura).
> The worst part is how people are fine with it. If you go to r/Brasil you'll see endless mobs cheering the supreme court.
Yeah it's disgusting, it seriously makes me sick. It's literally written in the constitution that censorship is illegal, especially that of a political nature. Yet the judge-kings censored their political enemies. And people cheered them on. They even made a public spectacle out of it. In other countries, they at least keep their corruption under wraps because they're afraid of the consequences. Here, they do it openly. They rub it in your face and dare you to do something about it. And people love it because the target is someone they don't like. They think the dictator is on their side.
The portuguese are not immune from brazilian persecution unfortunately. Couple months ago the polícia federal detained a portuguese citizen and journalist who visited Brazil to cover Bolsonaro's latest public rally. Looks like brazilian police was keeping tabs on this guy due to incredibly illegal opinions such as "Brazil is a judiciary dictatorship". Apparently they think it's illegal for the portuguese to hold wrong opinions too. Maybe they'll go back home and ruin Brazil's stellar international reputation?
Suffice it to say my own parents who lived through an actual military dictatorship approached me and asked me to stop commenting on things online because they're afraid I might get arrested. I actually wonder if one day dang is gonna get some letter from the brazilian government because of my comments.
> Do most people agree with what's going on? Are they uninformed like in Portugal? Is it a loud internet minority thing?
Can't say for certain. Whatever I say will be colored by my horrible experiences trying to deal with all this stuff. HN is actually the only place where I feel free enough to speak my mind and even here I run into some incredibly misinformed people. I've had to explain to other brazilians here that Lula is a self-admitted communist. People think I'm trolling them or something. It borders on gaslighting.
> There was no "coup". There was a protest. Identical to many others in the past, down to the "people all over the buildings" imagery. It was not the first time people have occupied the Brasília buildings and it certainly won't be the last. Just like this one for example:
The other protests that you reference were not performed with the intent of preventing the elected president to assume and govern. A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the president is literally a coup attempt.
Moreover Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation.
> A "protest" with violence where the objective is preventing the elected president to assume or govern and that tries to encourage the army to depose the president is literally a coup attempt.
It was a mob, no plans, no armed groups capable of effecting a coup. It was a great excuse for a coup which Bolsonaro didn't capitalize. If you want to call it a coup call it a self-coup by Lula because they let it happen, capitalized it and used it as an excuse to increase their powers and persecute oppositors.
It was not just a mob, given that there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them, with the intent of trying the coup. Until the last time the group expected the army and police officers to insubordinate and depose the president, which would consummate the coup: this was the plan. Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them.
> ...there were very organized entities financing and organizing people all over the country and even paying transport and food for them...
So what? Every manifestation has that. People were asking for military intervention way before Bolsonaro came to power. The thing is that the military didn't want to intervene there or now.
> Moreover, there were even high officials at the army that admitted that Bolsonaro was trying a coup and tried to discuss his plans with them.
No doubt that Bolsonaro is authoritarian and dream of being a dictator but besides being an unscrupulous & irresponsible politician he is also a coward. He didn't have substantial support from the high echelon.
My read is that it was a massive manifestation that got out of control. His goal was to show that he wasn't politically dead yet so he would secure his party loyalty and maybe get a second chance at next elections. He achieved that. He cowardly left the country to have an alibi. He lured thousands of brainwashed supporters into the sacrificial pyre which ultimately ended with them being imprisoned for life.
It's worth mentioning that Lula government purposefully let things get out of control. Intelligence services notified government officials days before but they didn't make preparations like increasing . Also there is CCTV that shows Lula chief of security (chief of GSI) giving water and directions to protesters inside the the presidential palace. Suspiciously most of internal CCTV footage was deleted.
It's also worth mentioning that from 2021 and onward Bolsonaro became a puppet from the powers at play motivated
by his son being target by corruption investigations.
What a bunch of bullshit. I was there when they called Dilma's impeachment a coup, they protested it just as vigorously. Hell they still call it a coup and they seem to be rather keen on memory holing any fact to the contrary now that they're back in power. You don't see me calling them terrorists. Even the most communist parties in Brazil denounced that narrative for obvious reasons. Things are not going to end well for them if protesting gets you labelled a terrorist.
Violence? Nobody was even hurt. Well not at the protest anyway. Some people have already died in the quasi-concentration camp they set up in Brasília for the political prisoners. The judge-kings haven't even finished dispensing their "justice" yet.
Coup attempt? If only. Maybe then they would have actually deserved those 20 year sentences. Maybe they should have actually tried to seize power. It's all the same to the judges anyway, why not go all the way? Who knows? Maybe they would have succeeded. I for one sure would enjoy not having to live under the rule of literal communists.
> Moreover Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation.
LOL what does it matter what brazilian law says? It's not even a civilized, democratic country anyway. Just anger a judge with your opinions and you'll see how far they'll stretch those "brazilian laws" to hang you. We have journalists, YouTubers fleeing to the USA to escape persecution. They banned Bolsonaro from office over wrongthink. Not even the incredibly dumb shit he said during the pandemic, over his perfectly reasonable criticism of the voting machines. He questioned the unquestionable.
Brazilian law? What a total joke. It's like saying "but North Korea's laws allow its dictator to..." as an argument. I'm not even convinced this land has any laws to begin with. Says on the little paper they call a constitution that censorship is illegal. The judges ordered censorship anyway, political censorship at that. The censorship actually happens, despite supposedly being unconstitutional. You vote for guys to pass laws to bring society in line with what you want it to be, then the unelected judges come in and just "vote" on that law so as to decriminalize abortion, drugs, you name it. So do these mythical laws even exist? I don't think so. Whatever whims the judge writes on his paper becomes law, and only because it actually makes police go out there and enforce it. I don't even know why they bother to keep up this charade. Why even waste all this taxpayer money on all these useless politicians?
People jailed because of the Brazilian version of the Capitolio invasion are NOT being framed by terrorism. They are being framed for armed criminal association, trying to abolish the rule of law, property damage qualified by the use of violence and menace and for destroying historical items. The only person framed with terrorism is the Bolsonaro supporter who months earlier tried to plant a bomb in an airport, which is the literal definition of terrorism.
You CAN protest. You CANNOT try a coup, cannot try to abolish the rule of law, nor try to depose the elected president. Your whataboutism about left-wing protests against Temer do not even make sense.
> what does it matter what brazilian law says? It's not even a civilized, democratic country anyway.
OK, now I know Im just talking with a crazy Bolsonaro supporter. No right is absolute. You have freedom, but if you commit crimes, you are jailed. You do not know nothing about law and is repeating absurdities. Anyway, your reply is useful to show the partisanship of people echoing these news.
musk is associated with former president. this is all part of their crazy defense strategy https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...