Tell HN: Mail app on Windows forces Outlook

[lostmsu]

Today when I launched Mail app on Windows, it force-installed Outlook and closed itself.

Outlook won't show my Google Calendar without me letting them sync my Google stuff to Microsoft Cloud.

Shitheads.

P.S. some search tells me this is rolling out in tiers, as some people got this before

P.P.S. Uninstalling Outlook and opening Mail several times got it working (the first 2 times it just closed itself)

[Nicksil]

Try Thunderbird

https://www.thunderbird.net

[lostmsu → Nicksil]

Seems to be missing some functionality I require: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/provi... (the addon does not appear to cut it either)

[jraph → lostmsu]

What is missing? You link to an addon named "Provider Google Calendar". I'm not sure what it does but Google Calendar works perfectly well in TB (by virtue of following the standard, for once). You also used to need the Lightning addon for agendas and tasks but that has been built in for a while now.

[aetherspawn]

Finally, as a business user I found it really irritating that certain things (ie Todo app -> Share) required the email to be sent through the Mail app (which we don’t setup) instead of Outlook

[jraph]

Why would MS develop two mail clients? Seems like a PITA. Developing one must be painful enough.

What purpose / user target do they both have?

[zdimension → jraph]

- Outlook (forever-...)

- Windows Messaging (95-98?)

- Outlook Express (XP)

- Windows Mail (Vista)

- Windows Live Mail (7?)

- Outlook Web App (?)

- Windows 8 Mail (Metro)

- Windows 10 Mail (UWP)

- Outlook ("New Outlook")

- another one I missed?

[hulitu → zdimension]

> - another one I missed?

Taking into account that they just released the "NewTeams", which is the same crap like the old one, i would say, yes. /s

[gigglesupstairs → jraph]

I remember getting a prompt some months back or perhaps even a year or so back that default mail app is being deprecated and new outlook will replace it. So it’s possible its development has already stopped and they’re now focusing on only one client. I also doubt it’s a full fledged outlook app bundled with Office and could be more like outlook express of yore.

[hulitu → gigglesupstairs]

> So it’s possible its development has already stopped and they’re now focusing on only one client.

There are 2 Outlooks: one standalone and one who needs a browser.

[nuc1e0n]

Come now. HN is not the place for obscenities.

[hulitu → nuc1e0n]

> Come now. HN is not the place for obscenities.

Windows is a popular subject on HN. /s