The thing is, I have my laptop on the left, and 22" on the right. So I want to set the Unity launcher to the right hand side of my main screen, the 22" display, so that it doesn't get in the way of scrolling to the laptop's screen.
Sounds simple right? Switching the launcher from left to right? Wrong. http://askubuntu.com/questions/123552/unity-launcher-on-righ...
In short, I'm advised to switch to a whole different desktop manager for that simple functionality. What a crock of shit.
I still like it for laptops, but this inflexibility ruins it for multi-displays. BRB, installing another desktop manager...
A few more links on the subject:
The launcher then auto-hides permanently, but you can still cause it to appear with the windows key. Disappointing, really - there's no clever artistic or design reason to disallow a right-hand dock. It just seems like a case of hubris and ignorance.
Depends. I have set my OSX dock to autohide at the bottom, and I'm glad I don't have to move across to reach it. Flick down, boom, Dock. It works even better than it sounds since it works along the edge, not solely where the dock is. Even with multiple monitors, my dock is at most one screen-wide away (even in a triple head setup), while a left-bound dock is two (even three) screenful away.
Also, I seem to unconsciously end up with the pointer in a vertically centered zone. Horizontally it comparatively could stay in any place, left, center or right. Statistically that might be the case too since going up for a (application or status icon) menu will later have me bring the pointer down since I click on a menu entry.
What's more it seems more natural and producing less strain for my eyes to peek up or down than to the far left. Indeed when I want for something to 'disappear' (like the pointer when typing) I move it sideways, never up or down.
Hence since I'm at most a screen width and half a screen height away form the dock, 'flick, boom, Dock' works only at the bottom.
While all of this may apply only to me (and I used a left-bound dock for a while myself, but ended up reverting back to the bottom edge) I understand that some may have other habits and prefer a left-, or right-bound dock. This is why both Gnome 3 and Unity drive me insane, because even if I had a lengthy experiment with a side dock it just doesn't make sense to me, and this is really infuriating to not let people have their way in this case.
(besides, vaguely related to the subject and multi head setups notwithstanding, I find it infuriating in Gnome 3 that the left edge does not reveal the dock and the right edge the workspace switcher. the whole thing just begs for it)
If you can avoid ATI you shall be fine in Debian land.
Granted, it might be the most difficult configuration I've ever tried to figure out on *nix and I'm not trying to shoot you down, but for anyone reading your comment it's not actually "impossible".
It continues to be hell.
Surely, their drivers work fine in some configurations, but sometimes you cannot afford to change your setup to accomodate their buggy drivers.
Go to System Settings > Displays. The "Launcher placement" is set to "All displays" by default. Change it to "Laptop" (or whatever screen's on the left).
Hope that helps.
I might not like that but there are valid reasons to have dumbed down options. And if I'm not mistaken you can get some configurability out of 3rd party tools.
People have tried to package Unity for other distributions, but those efforts have failed. One of the main problems was the patches that Canonical applies to GNOME libraries (to make Unity work) and to applications (to make them integrate with Unity). If someone wanted to fork Unity they'd have to find a way to handle this to get it fully working on any distribution besides Ubuntu.
Note the insane amount of packages, most of which are patched versions of packages.
It's sad that this is still a limitation, but not entirely surprising. Canonical seemed to be intent on pushing this to everyone regardless. And now they don't even seem to be supporting the traditional Gnome desktop (whether 2.X or 3.X).
I've read some of the other comments below and I've decided to try gnome-classic instead. It's a pity, because I really wanted to fall back in love with Ubuntu. I can't believe they didn't make it configurable to switch which side a bloody launcher is on. Sure, have your defaults, but make them configurable.
I was using Ubuntu on an X220 as my development machine for a while, with Ubuntu 11.04. It was extremely unstable -- the machine would freeze frequently when unplugging the DisplayPort cable, or even right in the middle of working. That along with a host of small bugs and annoyances (invisible desktop space on the smaller display in dual-display mode -- a longstanding issue in X apparently) eventually drove me back to using a Mac.
On the X220, 12.04 has run perfectly. On the X120e however, which also ran Fedora 16 (KDE) previously, I have to admit that 12.04 was sluggish. I haven't narrowed down the problem - but I feel it might have something to do with graphics performance -- which feels strange, since I always historically associated KDE with sluggish performance due to graphics, not Gnome.
I had some problems with the trackpad in 11.10 (I use the nub, mostly).
12.04 has been nothing but rock solid the entire way. Everything including the above that you said is a problem. Sorry that I can't commiserate, but basically, the X220 + 12.04 are the near perfect setup I've wished for quite some time*
*only thing I would like is a higher resolution screen on the X220.
Gnome 3 fallback is essentially Gnome 2.x all over again, so I'm pretty happy with the results.
Otherwise I haven't run into any problems so far...
You should add more info like "Hey, a little OT, but here's how the process works. Etc" to avoid down votes for lack of contribution.
The process for choosing an Ubuntu wallpaper goes thusly:
* A new, public flickr group is created.
* People bung their photos/art in there.
* The previous 'winners' choose the next wallpapers.
So, you had two of your photos chosen for this release or no? Is that rare?
Thanks for the context in how it works. Do you see any trends in what gets picked over what doesn't. I assume more abstract is usually better?
I've probably down voted someone less than 20 times on HN, but when I do I like to leave a comment as to why. Its been the case where I've been down voted and wondered why.
His comment isn't a troll comment and looking at his past comments he seems to be reasonable, intelligent, and otherwise a productive member of HN. I wanted him to know why I downvoted him, and he can consider changing the post to offer more insight in which case he would attract more upvotes and would generally make HN a better place.
What makes my comment more productive is that I articulated why I down voted which is that it lacked any insight into the process and didn't contribute to the conversation.
I went back and looked for were I was slightly patronizing and the only thing I could find was this line: "So, you had two of your photos chosen for this release or no? Is that rare?" Which I can see how that could be more than slightly patronizing if it was read in a way that I hadn't intended it to be.
What I was trying to say is that for a project as big as Ubuntu, having two photos chosen seems to be a big deal. I didn't realize this when I originally down voted you, and I just wanted clarity.
In any case it was never my intention to be patronizing, so I'm sorry for coming across that way.
If you want to know what the process was, why not just ask? If you don't actually care, then just move on.
If this were Reddit, I'd be attaching the Jackie Chan face right about here.
Thank you for trying to keep up the quality of conversation here.
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This is a tiny first step towards making a new computer company. Just need some love from hackers.
Btw, we will offer free shipping :-)
Can you offer the lower price point on your and a higher price on amazon?
I'm curious, what does selling Thinkpads with Linux pre-installed involved? Does Lenovo sell in bulk as an OEM, OS-less? Other companies have sold Thinkpads running Linux for years (Emperor Linux, IIRC) but at a large markup, such that I assume they're buying in tiny quantities, maybe even retail one at a time, unboxing/installing Linux/boxing/reshipping (pure conjecture, I've never looked into it). Also, any nonfree drivers required?
edit: I should've looked before speculating about Emperor. I gather that they order a machine from the manufacturer when a customer orders http://www.emperorlinux.com/quality/?page=configure but they have some kind of relationship with the manufacturer, not just retail http://www.emperorlinux.com/why/ (see warranty at bottom).
I know of System76 and etc, but their hardware doesn't inspire me much (spoiled by Apple).
We want to build the best computers for programmers at the best price with the OS most programmers run on their servers and dev machines anyway.
All the issues you mention and others relating to graphics continue to exist because there is no single organisation focusing on the full hardware+software stack.  It is really hard to get everything working on such a huge range of hardware with software that keeps moving so fast.
So we are starting by focusing on just getting everything working on some of the best existing machines - Thinkpads.
If you have any ideas or requests for your ideal setup, please share them here or email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
 I don't want to take any credit away from System76 and other similar companies. They've done a great job, but they don't seem to be proactive in pushing things forward.
I have nothing but good things to say about Dell computers. Of course, I am a bit careful not to choose ATI or Nvidia graphics or anything that seems designed to run only Windows. The v131 I'm using now works perfectly (and came with Ubuntu preinstalled). Having a version that comes preinstalled with Linux is a good indicator the machine will work properly with it.
The most common problem is the battery conking out after a year or so, and then the replacement choice is either a ridiculously expensive one from Dell (which costs a third of the laptop itself!) or a cheap Chinese gamble from ebay. The screen hinges also break sooner than later.
Still, I think on the cheaper end, Dell laptops are better than Acer and Toshiba. Their keyboards are not amazing but at least they don't try to do any cute stunts with them. The Vostro is surprisingly well built.
Shame the Ubuntu version is not available in the UK (or maybe I just failed their website easter egg hunt).
I don't think they are available in Brazil either and, in any case, the keyboard layout is not to my taste.
The specs on the Vostro 1440 don't seem much different than the Inspiron 1420N I bought with Ubuntu 5 years ago.
We're doing the Thinkpads because the keyboards are by far the best and the build very solid. The X1 is the closest to an ultrabook we could offer.
Here's the fix:
It's ironic that the top voted comment in this thread is about how wonderful Ubuntu is, followed by how we no longer need "ops" for linux, while further down we have problems like this bootloader update failure that no normal user could surmount.
There are some unofficial plugins which allow you to do it, but that will break future bug updates.
I understand the need for a clear vision, but I have no idea why they cannot (and refuse to) allow a configuration option for this. Even if it's a line in a config file.
I miss the NeXT feel of having it on the right.
Don't expect multiple graphics cards to work well under linux, at all. I tried this for quite awhile and there are a number of bugs. The one that bit me the most was that when a mouse cursor cross a screen boundary that switches GPUs and there is an animated cursor running, the mouse gets all messed up with the clicks being sent to the wrong screen, click on screen 1 and the event is sent to screen 2. I also had constant issues across many version of X with the Xorg process pegging a CPU core and making the system unusable.
Xinerama is all but deprecated it seems, RandR was supposed to replace the multiple graphics card support and allow multi-gpu composting but the project hasn't gotten around to it despite the fact that they've been talking about multi-gpu handling for more than 3 years.
My "workaround" for a long time was using a Matrox tripleHead2Go to let me get 4 monitors onto a single nvidia card. But, this approach has inherent limitations, all displays have to be oriented the same way and have to be side by side, what I wanted was one screen in landscape, 2 in portrait on the sides and a couple extra above.
At this point the best bet is hoping that wayland handles multi-gpus far better than X does.
An ATI card that supports 3 monitors (needs to have a displayport connector and you need an "active" displayport adapter or a monitor with a displayport connector) should work. But don't tell anyone I recommended an ATI card for linux.
ard0r, if you were to recommend an ATI card which had three display ports, what would it be? And, as a guy who has used nvidia with Linux for the past, oh, 14 years or so, can you tell me why you seem reluctant to recommend an ATI (AMD)? Am I inviting trouble by purchasing one?
I have a 5870 eyefinity 6 that has 6 display ports, but those are no longer made and expensive (and overkill).
I found a $60 Radeon HD 6450 card made by Sapphire on Newegg (N82E16814102960) that has two dvi and one displayport, that should work for three monitors. There are other options as well of course, just make sure the cards are advertised as supporting eyefinity and they have at least one displayport adapter. I've had success with an Accel active displayport to DVI adapters.
Not having compositing on the linux desktop these days means you're a second class season. Both Unity and Gnome3 require it to function...if you don't have it, you have to fall back to Unity2D (incomplete user experience) or Gnome 2 (no longer supported. KDE actually does the best of the bunch when it comes to Xinerama so far, but I really prefer Unity or Gnome3.
I've read that if you buy two similar Nvidia cards (same GPUs), you can get compositing across three monitors, but I've not spoken with anyone who can verify. If anyone reading this can, please provide your vid card model.
Do you know if this Radeon HD 6450 will support compositing across three monitors? $60 is cheap to me to get this.
Anyway, I hope this helps!
Ah yes... think I remember now... they didn't like connecting one of my monitors with DisplayPort. Or didn't seem to.
That said, gnome-shell doesn't work correctly with multiple monitors. In particular workspaces affect the first monitor but not the second one so they are annoying to use. Sometimes programs going full screen on the second monitor can't be restored. There are no context menu items to move items amongst workspaces. Since the available space on each screen differs (resolution, various bars) windows can end up with the wrong size.
None of these issues existed with Gnome 2. Gnome 3 was basically 5 steps forward and 10 steps back. I do like some of those forward steps. Unfortunately the cost turns out to be loss of functionality and humungous CPU/memory consumption (I upgraded my 8GB machine to 16GB because of it!)
Unity has great support for multiple-monitors. Many, if not most, of the problems are due to: X, the video card drivers and Xinerama.
I always disabled Unity until now, precisely for the reason that it didn't work for me on this laptop that is often docked with 2 monitors.
All you need to ensure is you have decent video card/drivers
I still haven't tried with multi-screens, so I'm not sure how well it works there.
After a few tweaks, I'm rather chuffed with 12.04:
- Change icons down to 32x32
- Auto-hide drawer
- Change theme to Radiance
- Set terminal font to 10 and colors to white on black / Linux colors.
I recommend people give it a second chance, particularly on laptops.
PSA: chuff == Brit slang for to please or delight (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/chuff)
I've been teaching the beta for a while now, I like it. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS comes with new vagrant, puppet and arduino 1.0. And with Xubuntu, you can use a traditional desktop. Some of my experiences teaching with the beta
I've been using Xubuntu 12.04 for a few weeks now (beta) and it has converted me back from Debian/Mint. If you don't love Unity, give Xubuntu 12.04 a try before you mess around trying to hack a different DE on Ubuntu.
In the past, Xubuntu felt kind of awkward, at least to me. It felt as though XFCE was sort of mashed on top of Ubuntu, with too much Ubuntu showing through the cracks. But 12.04 feels like 100% its own product.
My absolute favorite feature is hitting the alt key (from any app) and being about to navigate the menus and options e.g. in FireFox Alt > Type "Edit" and i see all the options available - Very Slick and means i can use the keyboard to effectively navigate all apps now, Previous versions of unity didn't really lend themselves to this.
As someone who runs Ubuntu on a laptop with a dead battery, that's somewhat unfortunate.
> The mail client Evolution may delete folders and their contents as they are renamed or moved around in IMAP (and IMAP+) accounts. It is recommended to copy folders and contents before attempting to move or rename them. (957341)
Ouch! I'm surprised a bug that big with a default application wasn't a release blocker.
$> sudo pm-hibernate
Then turn it back on. If everything works ok, you can permanently add it back to the system menu with these scripts:
Need two files:
Instructions and links to more detailed instructions in the .sh comments.
'pmi action hibernate'
I'd guess from the phrasing that suspend-to-disk can still be enabled, it just isn't by default.
I'd be interested in knowing about the training issues that arose and what action was taken, and how people like the new interface. Sort of a high volume test of Canonical's user testing driven design.
I imagine most of the large volume upgrades will be taking place after 12.04.1 is released sometime June.
I've contributed a poster for the coffee area...
They lost me to Mint in their last couple of releases.
I don't have any numbers for that, but even if it's a small shift, then it could be that most people weren't too fussed anyway.
That said, Unity was buggy in 11.04, and only somewhat less so in 11.10, and I still find myself having to occasionally escape to a terminal and restart Unity after it freezes up. I'm hoping 12.04 is better.
Most GUI programs aren't designed to use in 1024x600. For example, it's hard to actually read email in Thunderbird because there isn't much room for text after subtracting pixels for window decorations, menu bar, toolbar, header bar, and status bar. I think a netbook would benefit from a tiling window manager, but I haven't got around to installing one yet.
sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
I'm pretty sure your claim about the 45,000 IOPs being the most of any SATA SSDs is no longer true.
The (consumer grade) Intel 520 SSDs claim 80,000 random write IOPs, and I think I remember seeing the cheaper SATA SSDs on the Dell R720s doing 100K+ (obviously the SAS SSDs do more as do FusionIOs and PCI based express flash)
But to bring it back to Ubuntu - do you use the Ubuntu OpenStack distribution or what?
They're still ridiculously fast. Once we can justify the expense, I would love to get Fusion-IO's or the Micron P320h's on our platform.
Regarding Ubuntu, we're just using the vanilla Ubuntu 12.04 server distribution for our image templates. Of course, if people wanted OpenStack we would support it and possibly create another template for easy provisioning.
Around the time I was a Ubuntu user (around Hardy 8.04), dist-upgrade would usually break your box and was discouraged by Canonical themselves. If I recall correctly.
Seamless release upgrade is crucial if you want to have a high frequency (6 month) release cycle. Glad to see they made progress with this.
It's generally better than dist-upgrade anyway.
My laptop battery life jumped from 4.5hrs to 7, kernel panics with too many Chrome tabs open and/or Flash playing are a thing of the past, etc.
One of the best upgrades I've ever done.
Ubuntu is now my main OS.
I had to repartition and reformat my HD and restore from Time Machine.
It can help with some of the multi-boot problems people tend to have with Ubuntu on MBP.
Based on the fact that I was able to remove lines and not add new ones to this script, I'd say this release is pretty good.
Gripe: Ubuntu One still takes ages to sync up.
Praise: Sticky edges for multiple monitors; they're really handy when scrolling or otherwise doing something near the edge between the screens (and can be turned off if you don't like them).
Unfortunately, it's a huge pain in the ass when updating. Packages in PPAs are built with a specific distribution in mind, and distribution release x packages aren't supported in release x+1. I think the recommended routine when upgrading is to purge all custom PPAs you are using before you upgrade. And then add them back, if available, after upgrading. Of course, you might not even need the PPA since x+1 might already have the program version you need.
Still, upgrading is already a somewhat fragile process, and using lots of PPAs makes it even more prone to breaking. The upside is that it's really easy and safe to clean install over an existing install, particularly if you've got /home on it's own partition.
Now, that doesn't mean that things are always flawless. My main complaint is with a) bugs in the release itself, and b) the many reckless changes in paradigm, sometimes flawed by design, and implemented with half-finished software (upstart and Unity come to mind). Because of a), I usually wait a month to upgrade.
b) is more serious, and though it sometimes isn't Canonical' s fault (I'm looking at you, Gnome!), it is why I dread dist-upgrades. Finding reasonably functional and bug-free alternatives to the junk they want to shove down my throat sometimes takes months. For instance, I have only just yesterday found a decent desktop to replace Gnome2 (Mint's Cinnamon), after being homeless since the release of 11.04.
Still, I wouldn't swap Ubuntu for any other distro (not even Mint, which is just another _buntu, so why bother)! The PPA system is brilliant. The community is huge, so even if bugs aren't fixed, workarounds and patches abound.
And last but not least, it's the only distro I can even consider doing a dist-upgrade with the hopes of having a working system after it's done.
If you don't like or have trouble with Unity, try one of the other Ubuntu variants. I love lubuntu (lxde-based), it's just windows and a panel. Anything that gets between my windows and panel (like Unity) gets thrown over the side without even a wave goodbye. Lubuntu is what xubuntu once aspired to, lightweight and simple.
Here are all the ubuntu variants:
What is Ubuntu? It's the "easy" Linux distro built on a highly curated version of the debian repository and their apt package system. Mainstream Ubuntu also has Unity. It has a large user base, and a large developer community. It's a nice place to be.
When Unity first hit my laptop, I went running to Mint, only to discover that they've made a search deal. I then looked at other debian-based distros, but I missed ubuntu's curated repository. While flirting with other debians, I discovered lxde, and then lubuntu. I'm there, for now.
12.04 doesn't make it better - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/utouch/+bug/801988 has all the details (for the W500, but it's the same bug). Touching the screen with two fingers causes X to blow up. Touching with one finger at the wrong place causes X selection to lock-up for a few minutes. I'm almost tempted to go to Windows 7... I hope it gets fixed soon.
Meego 1.2 is able to use the touchscreen without multitouch (but is otherwise unusable as a distribution).
Does anyone have good experience with any ubuntu distribution on an eGalax / DWAV capacitive multitouch screen?
You can't exactly say you haven't been warned.
After all, that's why Ubuntu has alternative DEs! I use Xubuntu on my netbook and I'm lovin' it. (Unity 3D is too much for that little bugger.)
It has occurred to me that most things I want to use require GDK anyways, so XFCE isn't all that light weight any more.
XFCE still feels faster than GNOME or KDE on old hardware, probably because it doesn't use any semi-transparent 3D gimmicks. It is also shaping up to be a very good option for those who prefer the old GNOME look. The panel and most other UI elements are even more configurable than I remember GNOME 2 to have been. I'll be sticking with Xubuntu 12.04 for quite some time.
I do very little Linux support currently, but there are talks of deploying Linux in our schools very soon and I can't see them using anything other than Ubuntu. It will do me well to have familiarity with the product. I'm upgrading my desktop to Xubuntu 12.04 now, but I think I'm going to switch my secondary laptop to Ubuntu and start getting used to it.
No problem. Just needed a word about how clicking on the 'cog wheel' to close Firefox won't work (windows controls hidden until mouse over). They just clicked around the interface to find things.
West Virginia is making a BIG push on the school districts to have a 1:1 student/computer ratio. Most districts going forward with it are purchasing netbooks to cut costs. Their technology budgets are already thin and they are desperately looking for ways of trimming even more to make room for more machines.
I'm gonna try Unity again, because I want to like it, but I always find myself getting angry at the "application-centric" grouping of my open windows, and how when it zooms out and I click the window I want, all sorts of other things I'm using become obscured.
: fast on C2D 1.6G, 50% of the 4G of ram were used quickly.
I understand cache policy makes comparisons dumb, but I sleep better when my computer has less to manage.
That said since it boots as a live cd .. a lot might just be the root fs.
Also, I'm not too familiar with it, so why does it imply that the 64 bit version only works on AMD CPU's? Is there no 64 bit version for Intel?
And those are usually mean old bearded Unix old-timers that will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and [condescending] anger.
And you do not want to upset these people.
Disclaimer I'm a young Unix old-timer, currently growing a beard.
* almost everyone who cares
"After launching the architecture under the "x86-64" name, AMD renamed it AMD64 in 2003; Intel initially used the names IA-32e and EM64T before finally settling on Intel 64 for their implementation. x86-64 is still used by many in the industry as a vendor-neutral term, while others, notably Sun Microsystems (now Oracle Corporation) and Microsoft, use x64."
Out of loyality (ubuntu user since 5.04) I gave the 12.04 beta a go and was genuinely pleasantly surprised with unity. I've opted to keep 12.04. The multiple monitors works well for me (though not an exotic set up 2x23" matched monitors, Nvidia GFX).
The alternative would have been a clean reinstall.
So basically you did the right thing.
I did have to do some tweaking to the default workspace management keybindings to be truly happy with the install, however. But if someone is coming in without any preexisting biases, the defaults may suit them just fine. (Hit the Super or "Windows" key for a guide)
I'm running 10.10 and it's the same as you describe. Which I think is the right way to do it, for anything that pops up unexpectedly.
Thunderbird (and others) doe notifications the way you describe, but I don't think ubuntu (or any other distribution, or even osx for that matter) ever let you click directly on the system-wide notifications.
Ubuntu swapped out the common notification daemon for one called notify-osd.
See my other post on this thread about 10.04 -> 12.04 upgrades. Are the users of your 50+ desktops 'end user' or technical?
Turns out the SSD was faulty but 12.04 is great!
Maybe only upgrade one thing at a time.
In this case, it went very smoothly for me, and was worth the hassle. I upgraded from Ubuntu 11.04, which had been rather a bit of a mess actually, in the Unity/Gnome3/fvwm shell department, as in I had them all and had to switch around to get certain things I liked. Unity crashed too often (in 11.04) for me to trust it.
That has all changed. I am now running Ubuntu studio, which features fvwm, and nothing else. Gnome only if I truly need it, and Unity .. after the dust settles.
So I'm quite comfortable in my upgrade to 12.04, and everything works like it should - full multi-channel digital audio, multi-monitor support with acceleration, and so on.
Also, the upgrade to a new version famously have many problems. I just tried it and it crashed in the middle :S
The fastest way to do it from the shell
At any rate, better safe than sorry.
press the super key
type : update-manager
and it will tell you there is an upgrade on top.
Hit the upgrade button....