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Microsoft will allow uninstalling Edge, Bing, and disable ads to comply with Act (windowscentral.com)
161 points by thunderbong on Nov 16, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 68 comments


Man, this may make Windows a viable option; opens start menu, tons of mass shooting news articles... yeah nevermind.


MS actually created a decent base UI for Edge.

But then whoever in the company ruined it by forcing awful start pages full of horrific news stories on new users.

Did they not understand what made Chrome and the simple Google homepage so popular?

MS seemingly can’t help themselves with the cheapening of every experience they present to users.

Working for MS as a dev must be so frustrating at times!


Just to raise awareness, you can absolutely disable all of this nonsense, they just make it a dark pattern to do so. Find the settings gear or however they disguise it and you can disable all news presentation. It’ll still show up if you scroll down, but uh… for your own sake just never do that


I the get the point of your comment, but the article does state that one of the proposed changes are that you can uninstall news and bing from the start menu / search.


Is Microsoft allowed to reinstall it after every update?


No


I believe that's in sarcasm. If you uninstall the widgets bar (something called "Web Experience" IIRC) it will automatically get reinstalled upon next update. (USA based)

I got mine to perm disable not by uninstalling, but by changing the folder permissions so nothing has access.


So does every annoying choice. So, This is why I Linux. Since win2k every other MS OS has annoyed me.


Linux is getting better steadily. Still has some largish holes, like poor support for cloud storage if you're not running your own.


I recently switched to linux desktop for my home PC. Compared to my last attempt at this, the experience is still...not great. There are some awesome features, but then you run into random issues that really sour the experience.

For example, my printer randomly disables itself. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but I have to go into the settings and enable it before anything will print. Searching for solutions to this and the best I found was a suggestion to add a cron job that enables the printer automatically every x minutes.

I have some notes I add to every time I find an issue like that. It's a few pages long as this point.

I still don't really want to go back to Windows. They really have ruined it.


Just remove the news widget if you don’t want to see it

People act like Windows is somehow the only software in the world that you can’t customize to fit your preferred usage /eyeroll


My own anti-Windows rhetoric and that of others I chat with almost never includes the sentiment that "Windows is somehow the only OS in the world you can't customize." On the contrary, it does have considerable flexibility.

No, what we don't like is the bloated, boggy UX, the built-in always-on spyware, and the product-on-rails BS masquerading as predictive features intended to ease use. It's the OS for the lowest common denominator, and we avoid it because of that.


I don't understand how one can bear an OS where you need to start removing stuff before you can use it without suffering.


OS is a bit different from other software.

"But iOS/Nintendo Switch/OS on your dishwasher..." ok there is a reason I don't use these as my desktop.


I keep having to re-customize it after every update.


Just remove it every time it unremoves itself too, whats the big deal!? /eyeroll


Sisyphos sure is a fool rolling up that rock, when he could reach the mountain top and just let go


How are you getting unwanted news articles in your Start menu? If I ever had that I removed it instantly, it's two clicks.


2 clicks is too much. It should not be turned on by default.


Having a regular newsfeed that's easily removed doesn't seem like an inherently monstrous default.


Clearly many people have a problem with it, and perhaps you aren’t understanding their reasoning


two clicks is too hard


Even aside from the hostility, it just lacks in usability. Every month I find myself frustrated at something it can't do.

Most recently: you cannot even change where notifications get displayed or their behavior.

What??? Why am I forced to have them in a place where they interfere with the input box for many sites that I use? In my arch install I have them in the center middle with a hotkey to dismiss one or all. And that's just a basic setup.


Just do what I do and never open the start menu.


Is the articles being about mass shootings vs some other subject part of the decision making?


Will I need to move to one of these countries to benefit from this, or can I just visit?

That is, how long will I have to tunnel my traffic across the pond to keep this cruft uninstalled?


> Windows uses the region chosen by the customer during device setup to identify if the PC is in the EEA. Once chosen in device setup, the region used for DMA compliance can only be changed by resetting the PC.

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2023/11/16/preview...


So if you just choose a region in the EEA during setup can you benefit from this without any negative effects regardless of where you actually are?


I almost always select Germany when asked for my region.


I don't know what else the region choice affects.


Default language/regional formatting options, but those are easily changed.


Why not militate to your politicians and law makers to have your country also adopt consumer friendly legislation? Genuine question. I know using VPNs is a lot easier, but I feel like that's not the real long-term solution.


Most countries are not as powerful as EU. EU can do this and that customer-friendly regulation because they are a huge market that even MS and Apple cannot afford to lose.


The EU is not the only place that implement this regulation. There are about 129 more countries around the world with similar laws, but MSFT apparently does not want to obey them in the first place.


If you are from a very small country, maybe... But there's a lot of mid-sized or other big countries who just have the power and don't do any of these regulations.

Brazil basically cloned GDPR and it worked (LGPD). For example, look at this Samsung tool: https://imgur.com/a/ycgkSCI


Most people on this site are from the USA, so I would bet their legislators could do something, but choose not to.


It's ridiculous that it requires a law to make companies dial back the pushy advertising and user-hostility on a product the user has ostensibly paid for, but here we are


If you don't like it, don't buy it or use it. There are alternative OSes that don't have these problems.


Oh, so I just chose one of the many equally compatible, usable and accessible operating systems!

"Just don't buy it" is inversely proportionately silly to how many options people have (and how educated they are about them). In this case they have 2 that are roughly similarly viable and the vendors of both are increasingly pushing their services.

Consumer protection has been invented because it has been found that consumers don't deserve some types of harm, even or especially if they haven't been able to educate themselves about it and the market hasn't been efficient enough to provide (viable) non-harmful alternatives.


Of course but most people have no clue how to install an alternative OS. This law is not for us techies but for those people.


You're talking to me, specifically, or just the wind? I'm a Linux user who still owns a MacBook that won't be replaced when it quits. This doesn't affect me, but that doesn't mean I think everyone else who uses Windows because they have to, or don't know better, or aren't technical enough to deal with Linux, or don't have time to deal with its fiddliness and fragility, or aren't rich enough to buy a Mac should suffer.


Sure, let me just tell my boss I now refuse to work on Windows.


I did a long time ago and I have been using linux exclusively for nearly 10 years in a the 3 last companies I have been working for. With nearly everything being web based these days it has become much easier than the decades before.


There are also alternative ways to effect change in addition to don't buy/use it.

Just like there are bigger issues with alternative OSes


Indeed, they have other problems though.


Everything has problems; you have to choose which problems you're willing to live with. For me at least, ads in an OS is simply not acceptable.


I guess that also makes Apple, Google and some Linux distributions not an option as well.


Not too hard to live without them.

I am curious at which Linux distributions are showing ads to you? I have yet to see one doing that.


Ubuntu, Red-Hat, SuSE.

Assuming the HN definition of ads, where any kind of service promotion is shown.


I've only ever seen the terminal on ubuntu and rhel machines in recent years so that must be the reason. At least they haven't started polluting our bash profiles.


Ubuntu terminal apt will gladly show ads for Ubuntu Pro subscription, as an example.


Oh i see - brexit keeps delivering and the uk is still going to “benefit” from edge and bing.

But are they still going to collect people’s data and push ads on them?

Not that i’d care, linux distros arent in the spyware business.


* Most Linux distros aren't.

North Korea even has one called Red Star OS. You can bet that has spyware.


You forgot Ubuntu. I doubt they've reformed much since the Amazon debacle- they're just looking for other ways they could.


*Only in regions where governments more responsible than the U.S. are forcing them to.


Will it be possible to disable all telemetry?


Just add these to your hosts file at C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\

  127.0.0.1  data.microsoft.com
  127.0.0.1  msftconnecttest.com
  127.0.0.1  azureedge.net
  127.0.0.1  activity.windows.com
  127.0.0.1  bingapis.com
  127.0.0.1  msedge.net
  127.0.0.1  assets.msn.com
  127.0.0.1  scorecardresearch.com
  127.0.0.1  edge.microsoft.com
  127.0.0.1  data.msn.com


I've read Windows will ignore the hosts file for Microsoft's own urls. You will need to block them at network level.


I think that was in some Windows 10 versions where they flagged hosts files with those changes as malware threats, but I tested them on my W11 setup and all of those are unreachable from Windows.

Unless of course W11 kernel now silently ignores those host file modifications but pretends they work by only enforcing them when the user space apps tries to access them.


There’s always the option to run a PiHole or even NextDNS and block telemetry at a network level. I know it’s not the same thing but still better than nothing.


Nope, the EU doesn't seem to have any issue with that unfortunately.

In fact they are trying to get a backdoor into our chats themselves.


They rejected the proposal


For now... This is not over.


Does the DMA still allow forcefully bundling services with purchases? If so, that'd be a big missed chance.

Reminder: It means that additionally to assuming the liabilities of a purchase you also assume the liabilities of renting, but lose out on most of the benefits of both: You pay "owning" price, but still have to rent the service, having to regularly pay and depend on the vendor doing well and supporting the product for it to be useful for you. They have a monopoly on the service and can thus do classical rent seeking in nearly unlimited ways. Many companies have explicitly announced that this will be their strategy going forward, so the problem will almost certainly grow bigger: What's the consumer gonna do? Return the device they already started to depend on? Get one of the many alternatives?Haha, sure! The potential for abuse is huge and the future for abusive companies bright. Not only will you own nothing, you will also still pay a big upfront price to not own things.

If there was a provision that forced interoperability between platform services (e.g. let me configure my own iCloud server), there would be a market and competition for these services, which would keep companies honest and mitigate a lot of e-waste.



I’m surprised this isn’t getting more attention.


Because it is only for certain European countries which leaves out US + UK.

If MS actually wanted to do the right thing, this would be global, not region locked.


Ouf! UK consumers getting the short end of the stick again post Brexit.




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