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bobobjorn 744 days ago | link | parent

same here, why dont people just use github or other usefull hosting for their blogs :-/


gukjoon 744 days ago | link

I think the site load time is an allegory for how long it takes for the JVM to start up.

There are some good links in this blog. If you are a Clojure newbie, definitely check out the text-only cache of this blog.

I also want to note that "Clojure newbie" has many meanings, depending on which direction you approach Clojure from. Depending on whether you come from Java, LISP, Python or nothing, you will start with different tracks. I would recommend that Java programmers actually start with protocols and reify, typically billed as advanced subjects, then the concurrency primitives, before getting into macros and advanced LISP stuff.

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bdunbar 744 days ago | link

What do you suggest for a 'nothing' category?

By 'nothing' I mean that I'm a sysadmin, knows a smattering of PERL, a little BASH, a lot of this and that over the years.

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spacemanaki 744 days ago | link

I came to Lisp via "The Little Schemer", and I recommend it for people who are new to Lisp (and/or programming). It's short and sweet, but explores some really interesting and deep ideas (recursion, higher order functions, the Y combinator, the halting problem, and interpreters). I like to think of it as "SICP lite".

It won't teach you Clojure, but it will open your eyes and set you on a path to Clojure, and I think give you a very strong grounding for Lisp. At least that's what I think it gave me.

On the other hand, if you really want to get up to speed on Clojure specifically, Rich Hickey's talk "Clojure for Java programmers" is a great intro to the language. I don't think you need Java experience to get something out of it, it's mostly targeted at non-Lispers without much functional programming experience.

http://blip.tv/clojure/clojure-for-java-programmers-1-of-2-9...

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elangoc 744 days ago | link

In my life, I've learned and used the following languages, in this order: Logo, Basic, Pascal, C++, Java, Python, Ruby, Clojure. Each time that I learned the next language, I thought it was a great improvement on the previous, and I wondered what I had been spending my life doing with the previous language.

My experience is that with Clojure is a testament to pretty much everything in "Beating the Averages" (http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html) It's hard to know for sure, but I have a feeling that I will end up using Clojure far much longer than the rest of those languages, combined.

If you are contemplating learning a language for one-off commands and sysadmin scripts, then I kind of prefer Ruby over Python and Perl for expressiveness and readability. Most Rubyists are of the Rails persuasion, but I still have never learned Rails.

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bgilroy26 744 days ago | link

Have you ever taken a look at Higher Order Perl? It's an introduction to Functional Programming in Perl.

http://hop.perl.plover.com/

This interview with the author covers the point of the book (which is to help Perl programmers to learn non-procedural programming):

http://www.theperlreview.com/Interviews/mjd-hop-20050407.htm...

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gtani 743 days ago | link

If you can wait til Apr 22 (by Amazon's release dates), there will be 2 more clojure books which I'm pretty confident will be excellent, in addition to 2 Manning books which are also great.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_9?url=search-alias%...

And you want to spend quality time in the REPL.

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elangoc 744 days ago | link

hehe. the load time is more like the stunned expression you get when you realize people picked up on something you said. :-P (I should have an upgraded amt of RAM in a matter of minutes, and hopefully it'll be up again.)

Interesting recommendation for Java programmers. I've noticed a lot of people smiling instinctively when they see the Seesaw project. Seesaw turns Java Swing GUI programming from a horror into a pleasure, so that's another idea.

About Seesaw, the GUI for the Clojure namespace browser was whipped up by Frank in the course of 1 week (https://github.com/franks42/clj-ns-browser). As Frank puts it, it's a testament to Seesaw, since he had no real experience in Java Swing, and he got the GUI working from the couple of hours a night he got each day after he put his kids to sleep in that one week.

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