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Tell HN: ai.com used to redirect to chat.openai.com, now it redirects to x.ai
91 points by redbell on Aug 3, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 81 comments
Well, the title says it all..



> The goal of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe.

The messaging is getting to a comical level at this point. It's like a bad version of a character from "Silicon Valley"...


We need to get to a point where tech companies are more honest about their missions. E.g. Google's mission is not really "Organize the world's information", but rather, something like "Connect advertisers with the most relevant audiences through search".


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This is incorrect and in bad faith. Apple's mission of "to create technology that empowers people and enriches their lives" is actually closer to what they do. A less embellished version would be: "sell consumer devices with integrated software, with a focus on ease of use for non-technical users, and superior build quality"


"Organize the world's information" is also what Google does. The point of the exercise is to point out why they do it (their true mission).


If your goal was to empower people you'd want to lower prices until margins are reasonable in order empower more people, especially given the fact Apple has more money than it knows how to spend.

Apple sells tablets that fold in two and glue slab computers. That's only superior quality for a meaning of quality that aligns suspiciously with profit maximization :)


It’s not empowering when I accidentally tap an address while driving and my iPhone sends me to the App Store to download Maps instead of recognizing that Maps has failed me too many times and I want to use google maps which is already open…


Boring and inaccurate.


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So.... people stopped farming and moved to cities and you're excited they are not starving, even claiming they're not starving because they moved to city.

Who's left doing the farming?

Farming life is better than city life.


"Farming life is better than city life." - citation needed.

Farming life is long, hard, and expensive. The difficulty in even running a small farm, never mind something larger - and that's ignoring being priced out by huge corporations buying out land and farms - is significant.

That's not even touching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers%27_suicides_in_the_Uni... which - if you knew anything about "farming life" - you'd know is a significant and long-standing issue in the farming community.

Spend most of your days doing physically taxing labor (even with machines to help), and still be at the mercy of weather or pests (for crops), and markets / health scares (for animals), having little access to healthcare, mental health support or financial support, and then come tell me how much "better" it is.

Farming life is more than just fresh air and being less densely-populated. Saying it's "better" when farmers have some of the highest suicide rates, issues with mental health, and levels of poverty and income disparity - never mind the significantly higher risk of death or serious injury from machinery or livestock - is totally inaccurate and incredibly disingenuous.


> Farming life is better than city life.

Why would they stop farming and move then? Because they are looking for a worse life?


Literally everything in your comment is false. Bravo! This kind of low-quality flamebait belongs on reddit.


Bold of you to assume HN is smarter than Reddit on anything non-technical.


I don't even assume HN is smarter than Reddit on average, including anything technical.



AI.com once took you to ChatGPT. Now, it goes to Elon Musk's xAI : https://mashable.com/article/ai-com-domain-redirects-to-elon...

ChatGPT Shared Links FAQ : https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7925741-chatgpt-shared-l...

Ask HN: Why is ai.com redirecting to x.ai - (10 comments) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36981190

Edits; to add links

ask ' x ' ? - coming to plucked birdie?


Elon really obliterated by himself for many people the myth of the superior intelligence of the wealthy, specially of billion dollars company owners.


I still marvel at how many people think that being wealthy is indicative of some sort of superiority. The fewer people that buy this bit of nonsense, the better.


Yeah mostly for Americans who have a puritan belief that everyone should be perfect in every way.

Meanwhile most people know a lot of successful celebs, artists, entrepreneurs are pretty insane, but that’s why they got where they are.

You don’t get innovation and development without crazy people.


“It’s bad to call rescue workers pedophiles” is not a puritanical belief.

“It’s bad to promise and sell technology that does not exist” is not a puritanical belief.

“It’s bad to buy a company and then attempt to renege on its obligations to employees and service providers” is not a puritanical belief.

These aren’t fringe beliefs whatsoever.


Some of the "puritanical beliefs" that put me off of Musk and his companies are also not that extreme, like:

"It's bad to make statements about "return to office" critical of your employees while they are calling you out for poor working conditions."

"It's bad to make anti-labor statements in general while your companies are being held up as a model of shoddy workmanship and poor safety practices."

"It's bad to repeatedly make statements affirming your belief in American rights of citizenship like free speech and then take action that directly limits the speech of anyone you disagree with using your wealth."

While not entirely bipartisan or free of judgement, I think are pretty reasonable.


I recommend reading Esther Crawford’s take on working at Twitter pre- and post-acquisition.

It is the first piece of writing which gave me deeper understanding outside of the duality of worship/judgment.

https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/168429104868268441...

An excerpt:

> I learned a ton from watching Elon up close – the good, the bad and the ugly. His boldness, passion and storytelling is inspiring, but his lack of process and empathy is painful.

> Elon has an exceptional talent for tackling hard physics-based problems but products that facilitate human connection and communication require a different type of social-emotional intelligence.


I read it and it wasn’t all that enlightening. It’s exactly what anyone 80% burned by any egomaniac would write, which was exactly what it looked like from the outside too.

FWIW Esther has no way of knowing if he has any exceptional talents outside of cult-building.


There exists nuance:

-pedoguy was verified as common slang in his area of SA: https://www.news24.com/news24/bi-archive/elon-musk-pedo-guy-... Is it odd/stupid to call someone an asshole on Twitter? Yes. But obviously some people think it is okay because their moral framework is…

-visionaries suffer from too much optimism, but that is known and seems to be required to move the needle.

-he tried to get out of the purchase deal but would have been forced to purchase, so it was all a shit show requiring more than one lacking human.


The title of your link literally states that it wasn't common, and the slang means "creepy old guy". It's like if I called someone rapey, but I just meant pushy frat-bro like, and the insinuation that I meant they would rape someone is unfounded.


Deeper in the article are quotes from people in the era/locale.


There's a whole urban dictionary page for "rapey" that explicitly includes "You don't think he would do it". "Rapey" could be considered common slang.

I still think calling someone "rapey" or "pedo guy" directly implies rape or pedophilia, given that that's the whole point of using it as derogatory slang


These are all excellent defenses of a 12-14 year old boy who truly doesn't know better.


I didn’t say fringe. I said puritanical. In the US puritanism is mainstream.

Next you’re in europe check out our attitude to nipples. Or people saying offensive things (non UK).

I’ll grant you one thing, Europeans also hate billionaires. I guess that’s just the natural envy in every human being.


> I guess that’s just the natural envy in every human being.

The resentment toward the very wealthy isn't generally because of envy at all. It's what happens when people use their wealth and power in a way that harms others.


Musk is one of the last people you should think that of.

Jamie Dimon - yeah sure.

Musk? Really? Why? Probably because he takes a political stance? Funnily enough so does bezos and Zuckerberg but on the other side.

But I don’t see how musks contribution to society is a net negative.


You can't see how some people could have the opinion that Musk is a problem (without invoking political stances)? I think they make their cases pretty clear. Musk has been considered very problematic by a lot of people for quite a long time.


How would you recommend sampling a place’s attitude to nipples?


Enthusiastically.


Not crazy as in wacky and creative, more crazy as in NPD or sociopathy.

You can be creative and driven and wacky without believing falsehoods 5 minutes of reading or even just observation plus a modicum of intellectual honesty could correct, such as that nonsense about billionaires. And surely without trying to swat whistleblowers [0] or firing engineers for correcting things you made up [1]. That's not at all how so many well known and very successful people behave, actually. That's not what leaders do, either. That's what sick people can't help but do.

History in the long run doesn't care about how successful "celebrities" were for themselves, but whether they gave more than they took.

[0] https://archive.li/FG212

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat...


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> Where would electrification be right now without Tesla?

Almost exactly where it is. It's not like, e.g., GOELRO was inspired or helped by Tesla in any way.


I'm sorry you don't understand that Musk without stunted personality growth could have achieved even more.


Wtf do you think a puritan is? This comment makes me want to rip my hair out


"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." ― H.L. Mencken.


Considering the current amount of craziness in tech, there’s enough for at least 2 more seasons of Silicon Valley..


Someone has to support the dying art of documentary film-making.


xAI's mission is to elevate the world's consciousness


It makes sense to me, he's trying to make something that can answer this question: https://youtu.be/dEv99vxKjVI?t=1909


To save everyone the view:

Interviewer: "What would you ask the AGI"

Musk nervously stares around in his view, not focusing but like a person pretending to think hard to prepare a lie. Licks his lips. Seemingly distressed by the question or his immediate answer. Says

"WhaT's OutSiDe thE SimUlATiOn"


x ai is making the world a better place


Weyland-Yutani: Building better worlds


It’s the new zombo.com


Didn't OpenAI buy AI.com for 11 million (amount is disputable)? https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-ai-dot-com-domain-name-...


So you buy two letters for $10 and sell them for $11m? That's a ROI...


Yes, but you would have had to get it in 1993 and hold it until now.

The best time to buy a domain was 30 years ago


The best time to buy anything was before and during the internet's creation.


Nitpick warning: .ai was actually introduced in 1995, according to Wikipedia[1].

But yeah.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ai


They’re talking about ai.com


Ohhhh, whoops. I'm an idiot, my bad :P


Not an idiot. I know it’s something we say in passing as a way to belittle ourselves to our mistake and that nobody takes it at face value but by you saying you’re an idiot, even in the most casual passing, deeply ingrains a thought that you are indeed an idiot. Which you are not, because if you were an idiot then you wouldn’t even know and therefore wouldn’t even be calling yourself an idiot if you were.

This isn’t a dig at you specifically but just a comment to anyone who reduces themselves over a minor mistake.


The second best time to buy a domain is today.


I dunno 29 years ago seems better...


From the article: > Alternative explanations, such as that someone did OpenAI a massive, multimillion dollar favor, strain plausibility.

So maybe Elon Musk did, in fact, make a multimillion dollar favor to OpenAI until today?


I love how they mention X (Twitter):

> We are a separate company from X Corp, but will work closely with X (Twitter),


So X AI is a different company from X Corporation but works with X (which is different from the previous two).

I see no clarity issues here.


We can just add more Xs to avoid confusion. X, XX, XXX.


Could simplify further by just referencing the count of the number of Xs:

E.g. 1, 2 and 3.

Or for further clarity, each entity could in fact be denoted by a key feature, e.g. Messenger, AI Shop, etc.

Any particularly memorable phrase may do well to differentiate the specific entity from others in the market. All kinds of analogies can be used here creatively!


"The company formerly known as Twitter"


I for one really like X2, both as a name and as a movie [0].

[0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290334/


I think the .xxx TLD was made for solving this problem.


You just don’t understand His genius. He works in mysterious ways. /s


That’s when you know a break up is final lol


Aha


I know this will age very fast but for the moment their X handle at the bottom of x.ai landing page still shows the old bird logo.


What does com.ai redirect to?


That's the new company TwatOpenXiA


Now let’s see how much that cost


Maybe Elon owned it going back to Paypal Mafia days, pointed it at OpenAI while they were friends, and then remembered recently about owning the domain (I assume being the wealthiest person in the world involves constantly forgetting about all the things that you own) and changed the CNAME or whatever.


I’d bet someone else owned it, had it pointed at chatgpt hoping they’d buy it, and just made a ton selling to Elon and crew for the vanity domain (which is pretty funny since x.ai is actually shorter).


Ai.com is such a better domain than x.ai. Still probably a waste of money to just redirect it.


.com matters now as many people know that is a very common ending of the url. Once years pass as people know about other possibilities, it matters less and less.


Plenty of people think that a url needs to have a .com to be correct, and the only time a different higher domain is used is when they go from a .com website(like google) or a bookmark/automatically opens. They just think of them like doors in a building. They have to go through a door to access the "other internet." (Go from a .com site to crossover to the other levels of the internet) while bookmarks and other methods are essentially literal shortcuts in a physical sense(even though they can type it into the address bar) equating a shortcut to a button on an elevator, etc.


wonder how many applications they get through the application form.


That is a bit annoying.


Did the domain change ownership/registry?


Updated Date: 2022-04-08T15:19:12Z

Creation Date: 1993-05-04T04:00:00Z

Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2031-05-05T04:00:00Z


i wonder the cost of buying it ?




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