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I'd like to hear more about how you've found more honesty in the private sector.

"academia doesn’t really do this anymore"

I've heard this from more than one current or former academic. Some argue it's due to market logic entering academia. It sounds like you take a different view?



> I'd like to hear more about how you've found more honesty in the private sector.

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> Some argue it's due to market logic entering academia.

People's behaviour is shaped by incentives (amongst other things).

People in academia are rewarded for pumping out quirky studies that find interesting things, regardless of whether they reproduce. So that's what you get.

People in business mostly just want to make money selling some gadget (or providing some service). So they need methods that help reliably produce gadgets that are more cheaper or perform better. Because businesses want reliability, you get your reproducibility as a side effect.

(Of course, businesses also produce the occasional study where they use the study itself as marketing material. I expect those studies to be just as unreliable and full of wishful thinking as anything academia pumps out: the incentives aren't any better.)


I have no idea what I'm talking about but I would speculate that looking at how.much.freaking.money these schools have provides us a window into what these schools actually focus on. The focus seems to be making and having a ton of money. This compounded by the trends we see in fewer tenure positions, worse pay for associate profs, a glut of admin positions and admin pay, etc.

So yeah, I'd say the observation that market logic is entering academia has some surface level reasons to support it.


Ah, you meant it the same way that a thief is more honest that a corrupt politician. At least the first one is honest about what it does.


The person you are responding to is not me, but they captured the essence of my intent, more or less.


> I'd like to hear more about how you've found more honesty in the private sector.

no intellectual wrangling, just make it rain.

and in my experience, the type-A super-go-hards are respectful enough to stab you in the front instead of in the back.




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