I have no idea how or why this is on HN, but we did print a couple of them to test out, and they work! It is a goofy idea, but there are genuinely some scenarios where it would be useful. We’re thankful to have attracted such a clever and creative community.
A table, by definition, is a surface upon which a cup can be placed. A cup holder on the other hand envelops the cup and prevents any sliding movement. This makes a cup holder ideal in moving vehicles.
cupholders seem to have fallen behind starbucks law of cup capacity, and now serve to hold the bottom of the cup in place while the rest of the cup freely rolls/pitches around the center of gravity of the coffee. This seems to be much more effective in tipping.
I really wish cars had more modular docking systems for electronics, drinks, snacks and sunglasses.
Yeah, but then the base module will cost 2000$ (or 20$/month), the cup holder attachment is another 200$ and the manufacturer will sent assassin squads against anyone daring to create compatible attachments or even the printable designs for them...
> cupholders seem to have fallen behind starbucks law of cup capacity
What you're looking for is a "cup holder expander" or "cup holder adapter". Much like the cigarette lighter became a power delivery standard because it's there, so too has the cup holder become a standard, although admittedly quite a bit more nascent.
I immediately thought of, maybe you could use it to keep various cables out the way: anyone who does a lot of embedded work knows how busy the desk can get with a debug probe + serial + power + usb device under test, etc, etc
Good lord yes. Though I'd probably want a more dedicated cable organizer, with multiple separated brackets for organization and cutouts for removing and adding and reorganizing cables without unplugging them.
Framework is doing brilliant work. They create reusable computer formats that anyone can hack against. Strongly considering a Framework 13 as my next computer.
On Linux this was solved for me by using `tlp` and I check usage once in a while with powertop. It's going to be not so great out of the box (~5-6 hours) but after some basic tweaks I can pull 10. Mostly the fixes are about getting the CPU to scale down into a low power state.
Running Fedora and doing web browsing + light coding, I get around 5 hours of battery. That doesn't feel great, but it's rarely an actual problem for my use patterns.
I've never managed to get sleep or hibernate to work correctly, so aside from the fact that I have to shut the thing all the way down if I want to leave it unplugged overnight, or just always leave it plugged in, it's fine.
I think it might have to do with my using full-disk encryption, but I've been unwilling to go all the way through attempting a fresh install to fix.
So it’s like a desktop with a hinge. I recently moved to a MacBook after being a win/Linux user my whole life and the thing I love the most is the feeling that if I close the lid, all is going to be ok and I can immediately open it back up and it won’t freak out or I won’t find it’s still working on sleeping.
Being at an airport and closing it, putting it in the bag, boarding, resuming work. Or relocating at home from table to desk to couch, things you do with a laptop cost you battery and heat with a framework?
YMMV but both my macbooks occasionally display evidence that they were awake while they were asleep (e.g. if i close the hing at 10pm and open it at 8am, it might show 2:14am for a few seconds before catching up, but also they show new unread messages even before connecting to wifi). Weirdly my 2013 macbook is much much better at going to sleep and waking up with nearly the same battery capacity, whereas my 2019 (work laptop) will often run down 15-40% of its battery over the weekend while completely closed.
Ironically my company issued Macbook is also annoying about this, in the sense that it regularly makes noises or wakes up my monitor when it should be sound asleep.
But my Framework never actually goes all the way to sleep, even when it looks like it has, and I've given up trying to figure out why.
Keep in mind that the 13 doesn't have the expension bay, nor the input modules. I really do want those 2 features, so U am strongly considering the 16", even if it is a little big for my taste.
Same, I would like a Framework 13 with input modules (an ortholinear layout may finally be possible? Also with QMK).
Also, I would rather take a r5 and have increased battery life (I bet the r7 are binned for higher perf and have higher leakage), but they only offered the bigger battery with the r7, last time I looked.
16" is definitely big (I have a desktop and docking station anyway), so I've refrained from ordering for now, hile I decide :|
Well you can't hack the firmware :( A baffling decision considering the brilliant work they're doing otherwise. I do not see a reason why they absolutely need to have Intel Boot Guard enabled.
I'm at the point where I'm not even looking for laptops with coreboot OOTB, I just want a good laptop that is not fused to the vendor's keys. I'll port coreboot to it myself.
As much as I like the idea, they don't address their main weakness - low resolution display. They are like a 720p phone - 2256x1504 is somewhat precise but one can clearly see the pixels and switching to 2x mode makes everything huge. Older ASUS ZenBook could do 3300x2200 at the same size for about the same money.
Sure there are manufacturers with higher resolution displays out there, but there is even more that still just run 1080p on these. Its not easy finding an AMD device with more than 1080p or maybe 1920x1200 even today, even on larger screen (15").
So yeah, its not 4k, but its not shabby either.
That seems more like Intel gatekeeping high-end for themselves via some shady background deals with laptop manufacturers. There is no reason why an 8-core Ryzen with Radeon GPU would be limited to these crappy 1080p resolutions.
I had a 720p phone, and it was perfectly fine (I also have a 720p Steam Deck). I guess it depends on what you use it for, as it could be useful for graphics work. On the other hand, I value battery life, and increasing pixel count always had a negative impact.
That's fine, for folks like you Framework should offer the current display. For folks like me they could offer the 3300x2200 option. They offer options on everything but display for some reason.
Get a Joeveo cup, then no need for heaters. It's the world's best travel mug. Its insulation cools the drink to drinking temperature then keeps it there for hours, perfect cup of coffee. Had mine for years, from the original Kickstarter.
The temperature equalizing sounds interesting. I'd try Joeveo out if one happened to be offered by a friend or something, but it'd have to be pretty special to displace my Thermos travel mug. I've been using the same one for 15 years and it still keeps my drink warm for hours.
Lid is tight and leak proof. I trust it inside my pack. The handle and carabiner are essential components too. Handle hangs over bike handlebars, side of canoe or seat, belt. Carabiner does, well it does what carabiners do!
https://imgur.com/a/5f9rMA2
This pic is from 2014. It's lost the rubber base since then but none of its usefulness.
There must be something available in Europe, I remember then-chancellor Rishi Sunak getting some stick for having a £200 heated mug with Bluetooth. Of course, now he's running the place.
There are services in US which will gladly give you an address in US and forward to almost all countries in the world. Search for "us package forwarding"
In addition to the normal vaccuum insulation layer, it has a layer that does a (constant-temperature) phase change at ~140F. If your drink is hotter than this, energy flows out of the drink, cooling it and liquifying the layer. If you drink is cooler, energy flows into the drink, solidifying the layer.
Just a quick, non-hostile technical nitpick: I don't believe that at any point, energy will actually be flowing back into the drink. If the drink is cooler, the insulator layer will become a significantly worse conductor, preventing heat from flowing outward as well as from the liquid-phase insulator, but thermodynamics/the law of entropy shouldn't really allow for the energy to flow back into the liquid, even when the insulator does re-solidify.
If you rapidly cool the drink, you're definitely right - energy would flow PCM -> drink. Otherwise, it's semantic if GP is correct. There would be dynamic equilibrium, i.e. flow of thermal energy in both directions, but no true flow from PCM->drink.
3a) drink cools to 140-epsilon before PCM liquifies fully
4a) PCM gives energy to drink in dynamic equilibrium, while also losing energy to environment, solidifying
5a) PCM is entirely solid at 140
6a) PCM drops below 140. drink gives energy to PCM and PCM to environment. drink -> PCM thermal conductivity is presumably much higher than PCM -> env, so drink and PCM remain at same temp
OR
3b) PCM liquifies fully before drink hits 140-epsilon
4b) drink and PCM stay at thermal equilibrium (see 6a) while cooling toward 140. energy flows drink -> PCM and PCM -> environment. The former is faster, so the PCM continues liquifying
5b) PCM is entirely liquid at 140. Due to thermal equilibrium, drink is also at 140.
You seem to assume that the PCM encapsulates the drink on all sides. But the cup has a lid, which doesn't have a PCM inside, and which isn't perfectly isolated.
So there will be energy going from the drink to the environment through the lid, which in turn allows energy to flow back from PCM -> drink.
When the "insulator layer" (a phase change material or PCM) is between phases, it can absorb or emit energy without changing temperature.
The drink on the other hand will change temperature as it looses energy.
The drink will lose energy through the lid, leading to a small temperature gradient between the PCM and the drink. This gradient should allow energy to flow back from the PCM into the drink.
Its „Temperfect insulation“ is most likely a PCM i.e. a phase changing material storing heat in a phase transition. It absorbs or releases heat depending on the outer temperature by means of a physical phase transition (not sure if this is really liquid-solid but perhaps a crystal reconfiguration).
Sigh, anywhere I can buy this for my wife and I in Australia? The shipping for 2 cups is $60 USD, and it all totals out to something like $250 AUD which is completely unjustifiable.
Insulated keep cup on display at any cafe is around $15-25 AUD.
That's not likely to get you a winning mug, if threads complaining any the fake reviews and fake products off Amazon. Better to buy direct if you want a mug that's actually made out of thick enough aluminum to resist breaking, and actually has a vacuum to insulate. Otherwise you'll get one insulated by dirty diapers.
Pelican cups have a "sippy lip" on them which is really nice for drinking, feels like a normal cup. It looks like Yeti has partially recessed their lid now, not sure if it's deep enough from the picture. https://www.pelican.com/us/en/products/drinkware
I literally hadn't heard of this brand until this comment, but I figured it was worth pointing out that their "layer of insulation" is a bit more complex than it might seem at surface level, being a phase-change insulator.
They claim that it changes phase right around the 63 degC mark (which, again, is claimed to be the sweet spot for where most hot beverages are enjoyed). Therefore, a hot drink will quickly move to that temperature when the poured liquid is above that transition temp (the liquid-phase insulator being a good conductor), and then stay close to it after dropping below the transition point, when the solid insulator re-forms and stops conducting heat well. If true, I think it's a really neat application of high-tech materials science in everyday life.
In principle USB C goes up to 240W now, but that isn't relevant here.
USB-C power is negotiated, with a full blown two way negotiation if you want more than 5 volts (or to draw more than 3 amps). Framework laptop ports don't support outputting more than 5V or 3A and so will max out at 15W.
That is, this isn't a "struggle" -- because USB-C has negotiated power in general, just because it is possible to build USB-C ports that support 240W doesn't mean that a random port on a battery powered laptop has to support anything close to that.
Oh, when I wrote 'struggle' I wasn't referring to the negotiation or USB-C. I was referring to the ability of the rest of the laptop to keep that power flowing, even if they wanted to.
Can you explain what "negotiated power" means? Never heard of it, maybe the hardware on the receiving end needs to have built-in circuits which signal to the generating device that it can handle a certain voltage?
Yes exactly. You plug in the cables and then there's the following conversation:
Laptop: *Om nom nom, 5 volts, yum!*
Power supply: Hey, I can do 5 V, 9 V, 15 V and 20 V
Laptop: I hear ya.
Laptop: Can I get 20 Volts?
Power supply: I hear ya.
Power supply: Here's 20 volts!
You get the idea.
All the way up to whatever the device will accept. Past that, the device rejects the offer from the power supply.
The original spec lists 5 V, 9 V, 15 V and 20 V, with support of for volts being kinda common because that's what cars use so the circuitry support already exists. According to spec, the charger is supposed to support all the voltages lower than it's max, but ofc not everything is spec compliant.
20 Volt @ 5 Amp is 100 watts which was the old maximum power usb-c PD could do. But it turns out that wasn't enough, so they renamed that to be Standard Power Range (SPR) and released when Extended Power Range (EPR). EPR adds adds 28 V, 36 V and 48 V @ 5 Amps, to the spec, for a new maximum of 240 Watts of power.
If you want to be funky with your units, I suggest measuring 'coldness' instead of temperature and expressing it in bit per joule (or more conveniently Gibibyte per nanojoule).
> Though completely equivalent in conceptual content to temperature, β is generally considered a more fundamental quantity than temperature owing to the phenomenon of negative temperature, in which β is continuous as it crosses zero whereas T has a singularity.[6]
> In addition, β has the advantage of being easier to understand causally: If a small amount of heat is added to a system, β is the increase in entropy divided by the increase in heat. Temperature is difficult to interpret in the same sense, as it is not possible to "Add entropy" to a system except indirectly, by modifying other quantities such as temperature, volume, or number of particles.
I saw this on Twitter earlier and the photo somehow gave the slightest sense [1] that the laptop was flexing under some strain.
So I wonder, even if that's not the case here... :-) how much would it take, and what would happen? Would the cupholder break first or would a key cap fly off first?
And what is on the top-10 list of the least-safe 3D-printed laptop accessories?
In the shared design and printed out of normal filaments, the cup holder will break long before anything happens to the laptop. The cup holder was tilting slightly because the rails on that printed part need to be tuned a bit to be tighter. I think the design was based on our shared reference design, which we deliberately made slightly loose for printability (under the mistaken assumption that nobody would build something load-bearing using it).
> printed out of normal filaments, the cup holder will break long before anything happens to the laptop
Really? I can see it with PLA, but i thought PETG was supposed to handle it fine (as long as you are not using it with giant glasses filled with liquid). And PETG is pretty much the second most common type of a filament after PLA.
Note: i could be entirely wrong about this, but I was under the impression that this use-case is exactly what PETG is made to handle.
Probably, the laptop is not that heavy and there is a good few square centimeters in the slot. If you are have proper support (aluminium or steel) then it should easily hold up the weight. That said, I wouldn't lean or even type on the laptop if it was suspended over an empty space like that. I don't think there would be much resistance to the laptop sliding off the support sideways either.
There was something insanely appealing about the REX and related devices. I would love to see someone build a PDA or Tamagotchi-like Expansion Card or Input Module for a Framework Laptop.
I wrote a comment a couple of days ago that I want a stationary computer case with 12 5.25 drive bays. Invert the chassis and have a top to bottom air flow.
That way I don't need any USB ports included on the case. I can just pick any I want as a 5.25 bay.
Or maybe 18 how swap 3.5 harddrive bays. Or a memory card reader. Or 3 120mm fans. Or 12 small drawers. Or a cigarette lighter and beverage holder (real thing).
I have an old case that I love, but the front IO is hideously outdated. Expandability like the framework laptop is something we had for tower computers, but we did away with it to make them look nice.
it should be a spring wire (like a kids toy tent) or some kind of origami mechanism so it can be pushed away and hidden inside the laptop when not in use, then it'd be very impressive.
the collapsibility of the wires and size adjustment could both be done by joining two wires (1 attached at 1 end, on each side) to each other via a double fisherman's knot or a blood knot sort of arrangement
