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Report on an Unidentified Space Station (1982) (uchicago.edu)
187 points by jdkee on Jan 1, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 84 comments



It's a nice little SF short story. But "Report on an Unidentified Space Station (uchicago.edu)" looked like it might be some kind of astronomy community discovery of some nation's secret intel/mil station.

Maybe adding "[fiction]" to the HN title would help, when most titles are factual assertions/claims?


Contra - the nature of just leaving it without such a tag seems to me to be part of the joy of this story.


And risk to get something like War of the Worlds all over again?


That sounds like a perfect result. :) What am I missing?


I take your point, but the article / story itself is obviously a story right from the start. So the only ones 'misled' are those who can't be bothered to read the FTA. I suppose you could argue it's clickbait, but again I'm not convinced.


Agree. And literature is part of academia, too.


How exactly would it "help"?

Kids these days, with their need for everything to be neatly packaged and spelled out for them so there's no need to wait for the story to unfold...


Symptom of living in an informational society. The irony is that labelling things is restrictive, erodes freedom, and inhibits discovery.


Like requiring a “parody” tag to ruin a joke before it gets made.


One of my favorite short stories.

Ballard is best known for his novels, but he also wrote a number of exceptional stories. Among my favourites are "The Drowned Giant", "Dream Cargo", "A Question of Re-Entry", "The Terminal Beach", "The Garden of Time", and some of his earlier stories like "Billenium", "Chronopolis", "The Concentration City" (also published as "Build-Up"). There's a two-volume collection of all his short stories, but it contains more misses than hits. The individual collections "The Terminal Beach" and "Vermillion Sands" are the classics.

Among his SF novels I would recommend starting with The Crystal World, which is fantastic.


"High Rise" is a great tale about a slow descent into madness. Similar to "Dead Ringers", where the crossover from sane to insane is imperceptible. Very different from, say, "Falling Down".


It sounds like you are very familiar with Ballard's work. Based on your reading, how does this Report on an Unidentified Space Station compare in style and theme to his other works?


It's not typical at all, at least not in terms of presentation. Aside from a handful of experimental ones, his stories are usually conventional narratives.

One thread running through most of his work is a preoccupation with physical spaces and architecture, inhabited by alienated characters with some repressed, dark psychological traits (obsessiveness, violence, narcissism) that's held in check by modern society. He keeps going back to the theme of men (they're almost always men) regressing to a "natural" violent state. His later books are a little tiring because of this; too many books about rich people using violence as a means of psychological release.

His most interesting stories (like this one) explore themes outside of these core obsessions.


I see. I've emailed you a followup question in case you're interested.

EDIT: Thanks for the answer!


Fun read! The diameter estimations reminded me of the Star Trek: TNG episode "Remember Me," which might be this story's spiritual opposite.


Check out also the back rooms series… https://youtu.be/xJQG9CkMkuE

Recent back room vids have jumped the shark a bit, but the first few were golden.


I am certainly not a Star Trek fan, but this episode I remember with fondness.


“The universe is a spheroid region, 703m in diameter”


If you enjoyed that you might like the three short stories by the same author that are discussed in “The Fictional Representation of Modern Urban Concentration in the Work of J.G. Ballard” [1] from the Athens Journal of Architecture.

Dystopian short stories about the use of space and time seem to be a Ballard specialty and he was quite good at it.

[1] https://www.atiner.gr/journals/architecture/2015-1-1-2-Ultav...


endless spaces are currently prominent in horror popular culture;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Backrooms http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3008



Seems the website doesn't like having an exclamation point in the url https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blame%21


The Matrix movies featured some extra spaces of rooms and corridors between normal (?) space. Example, the hallway at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvZgqeRWjEA

That predates both the 2019 4chan Backrooms and the 2017 SCP-3008 page.


Is there a good place to read this kind of horror?


SCP-WIKI as linked above is nice to explore, it is quite varied in style.


Yeah I come across it frequently and the infographics thing on YouTube goes over specific entities in a way that kills time for me.

I meant more like old school creepy pasta websites


> A curious feature of the station is its powerful gravitational field, far stronger than would be suggested by its small mass. However, this probably represents a faulty reading by our instruments.

I know it's just fiction, but this is just outright contradictory. The gravitational field is determined by the mass, and even with faulty instruments, they can feel the strong gravity for themselves. "Small size" would likely have been better.

Aside from that nitpick, absolutely loved the story. Slowly realizing that the station is expanding around them and then reading the conclusion was riveting.


How working with our 13 year old code base feels like for a new programmer :)


like that but with more Zalgo text


I was surprised to find out it was written by a "proper writer" JG Ballard. It has the feel of something written recently by a random dude, that redditors would end up basing a "spooky" subreddit around. r/thespacestation


It's beautifully written, but it does read like an SCP report, like the one about the apparently infinitely large IKEA warehouse [1].

[1] https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3008


I would have guessed they were in a station made of grey goo expanding as they went further.

But some bugs in the software (or it being incomplete/a testing version) prevented the generation of some rooms (like the bedrooms) as well as the orientation markers.


Reminds me of House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski. Not for everyone - very polarizing book. Wonder if he was influenced by this short story.


Came here to say this!


Nice read indeed, also see previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26405515


What observation could have led them to update their estimate to 5 light years diameter? We can measure star distances on that scale using parallax from the earth’s orbit, but the people in the story were walking and couldn’t have gone far enough to measure distances out to light years.


I recently came across the epic poem Aniara, which this is flashing me back to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniara


For those who don’t know the work of Ballard, he’s worth researching as an author. A very interesting contributor to the genre.


The Crystal World is a direct influence on the film version of Annihilation.


Thanks for sharing that tidbit - Annihilation is one of my favourite recent SciFi movies. That and Arrival.


Based on your reading, how do Ballard's other works compare in style and theme to this Report on an Unidentified Space Station? Are the text style and the themes very similar?


The Drowned World had a big impact on me.


It didn’t really capture me when I first read it but it’s one of those fictional worlds that stays with you in a haunting kind of way. Reading this short story gave me a similar vibe and I wasn’t entirely surprised to discover at the end that JG Ballard was the author. I’ll have to give The Drowned World another read one day.


I read this as an extended life metaphor, the first reports seemed to describe a maternity ward, then a school etc. They get progressively more confused, ending with a grown up realisation that every moment matters. Didnt see much horror or dystopia in here. A nice read.


Similar movies

Blaire Witch (the 2016 requel).

As above, so below (2014).

Mine Games (2012).

Maybe beyond the aquilla rift, but also The Zima Blue episode of love death and robots (aired 2019). Also a short story. I think this will resonate with most of HN.

Love death and robots is certainly on Netflix.


Or the cube? (Not the game show)


Yes! I liked even the sequels.

A Japanese requel came out last year( well 2021). Haven't had a chance to watch it but up there on my list!


Didn't know there were sequels. Don't think I'd want to watch them though. I'm sure they feel the need to explain things, and the good thing about the cube is that it's never explained.

Rant. Why do films insist on explaining things that don't need to be explained. Shutter Island would have been a better film without the last 5 minutes answering the question as to whether he's insane. Even blade runner, why does deckard have to be human, it's much more interesting when the question is open. Same for the sequel.


> Why do films insist on explaining things that don't need to be explained.

Yeah an utterly baffling trend. I hadn't linked the two but you're right of course the same trend to add explanatory scenes and to simplify open plot points.

Worse still when they retroactively change the plot! Or scenes to fit a sequel.

Some major examples that come to mind is Avatar being changed to accommodate a sequel - in an entirely unnecessary way by adding a post credit scene in the style of MCU.

Last of Us 2 just replaying incorrectly last of us scenes and then the remaster being changed to suit.

Sometimes I think it's simply lazy writing or when a story outdoes the talent of its creator.

I did like the reveals in knives out because they genuinely add new info and suddenly many dynamics that were rich and understandable became very different yet rich and understandable.


I like it! Kind of psychedelic. I read an interview with Ballard from a few decades ago, in which he mentioned experimenting with LSD but not liking it. I can definitely understand the influence.

For anyone familiar with J. G. Ballard, how does this work compare with his other works in terms of theme etc? This is the only work of his that I've read.


I read High Rise ages ago, and thought it was brilliant. The movie is forgettable, despite plenty of action and violence.


Thank you. From what you can recall, how does High Rise compare in style and theme to this Report on an Unidentified Space Station? Were the text and themes very similar?


High Rise is a novel, not a short story.

The themes in High Rise are social/political, not sci-fi. I can't really judge how the texts compare; I read High Rise a long time ago. The tower-block of the title is an allegory for a stratified society, divided by class, gradually breaking down. I'd say it's still relevant - even resonant.

But I don't recommend the movie.


This should be more appropriately labelled. Looked like historic account until you read a few lines and realize the absurdity.

Some people don't have that kind of filter, as evidenced by all the conspiratorial stuff online these days. Its in very bad taste to not label it.


I saw this post just as I was heading out the door and didn't want to wait before reading it. I found a decent reading on YouTube that I really enjoyed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc54PpZZblA


Liminal spaces in space. I like it.


Liminal hyperbolic hyperbole in space


(1982)


Good read, it reminded me of The Enormous Space by the same author.


> is to small to appear

> and whoses destination is

Uh, does the author make these kind of grammatical mistakes in The Enormous Space too?


I doubt it was the author that made that mistake. Perhaps an artefact of OCR or someone retyping the story.


You can buy the 1200 page edition of his complete short stories to check, if that's you jam:

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Stories-J-G-Ballard/dp/03933...


To answer your question more directly, I don’t know as I’ve only seen the TV adaptation.


What’s the name of the TV adaption?


I think this is the one: Home (2003): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kce94adFCMc


So it’s purely fiction. Sure, okay, but not really useful to me. Isn’t there a way for me to filter out fiction from my feed here?


It will be naturally down-voted away from the front page if/when more people find it similarly uninteresting.

There are not filters, categories or tags on HN. So there is no "your feed" like on reddit or twitter, we all get to see the same front page!


> It will be naturally down-voted away from the front page if/when more people find it similarly uninteresting.

Articles cannot be downvoted.

And this one was upvoted for a good reason!


Meh, it wasn't all that interesting. :/


Just wait, someone will want to tell you about a lisp they wrote in Ruby, soon.


Or someone will just resubmit this and say it was generated by chatgpt and it'll spark many hundreds of comments and rust jokes.


this is actually a good idea, I am generating one right now.

prompt: please generate a short story of a journey to an unknown station, in the form of a daily journal, from the point of view of a stranded space crew. the story should last 10 days and have a misterious conclusion

story:

Day 1:

We've been stranded on this unknown station for a day now. It's unclear how we even got here - the last thing I remember is going to sleep on the ship and waking up in some kind of cryogenic chamber. The rest of the crew is in the same boat (pun intended).

We've spent the day trying to get our bearings and figure out where we are. The station is abandoned and seems to be in disrepair, but there's evidence that someone has been here recently. We found supplies and a working communication system, but all our attempts to call for help have been unsuccessful.

The atmosphere here is tense. No one knows what's going on or what will happen next. We're just trying to stay positive and make the best of a bad situation.

Day 2:

We spent most of the day searching the station for any clues about where we are and how we got here. We found a few more supplies and some old documents, but nothing that shed any light on the situation.

One strange thing we discovered is that the station's power source seems to be functioning on its own, despite the fact that it should have run out of fuel long ago. It's as if the station is being powered by some kind of external source.

We also found some strange symbols etched into the walls in various places. They look like they could be some kind of code, but we have no way of deciphering them.

Day 3:

We've started to notice some strange occurrences on the station. Doors opening and closing on their own, strange noises in the corridors. It's starting to get to everyone and morale is low.

We've set up a schedule to try and keep ourselves busy and our minds off of the strangeness of the situation. We've also established a watch system to make sure we're always aware of our surroundings.

Despite all this, we still have no idea what's going on or how we'll get out of here.

Day 4:

Today we found something that could be a clue. In one of the station's control rooms, we found a strange device with a holographic display. It seemed to be showing some kind of map, but it was too damaged to make out any details.

We tried to repair it, but it was no use. It's like the device is trying to show us something, but we just can't understand it.

We're starting to feel like we're being watched. It's hard to shake the feeling that we're not alone on this station.

Day 5:

We've come to the conclusion that we're not alone on the station. We've all been seeing strange things out of the corner of our eyes, and we've heard footsteps in the corridors when no one is there.

We've started to see patterns in the strange occurrences on the station. It's almost like someone or something is trying to communicate with us, but we can't figure out how.

We're starting to get desperate. We need to find a way out of here before it's too late.

Day 6:

We had a breakthrough today. One of the crew members, who is an expert in ancient languages, was able to decipher some of the symbols we found etched on the walls. They seem to be some kind of warning or message, but we're not sure what it means.

We've also noticed that the strange occurrences on the station are becoming more frequent and more intense. It's like whatever is trying to communicate with us is getting frustrated that we can't understand.

We're starting to feel like we're running out of time.

(it only generated 6 days)


This is better than the plot of Lost.


this is great, I'm narrating my kid stories of a cat off a set of kid books but now I can inject the settings and a scope for a story, add "as a kid story" and the output comes out well formed and ready for evening sleep stories.

I can have a different story, every day, for as long as she will care to listen.


I've heard of a few other people doing this sort of thing. I have some reservations about the practice. Stories passed from parents to children are our birthright. Forget art, this is a fundamental form of communication of values, ideas, and meaning-all of which are absent or only present by accident in GPT's output. What are you teaching your kid about her value by offloading this task to a machine? How will you answer questions about what the stories mean? Will the fact that they don't mean anything discourage her from asking questions about the things she hears?


she's 2 she need a voice to cradle to, not a bedtime philosopher. there will be a time for aesophus and friends, but even then, oftentimes a story can be just silly and fun, it gets old real quick if every story comes with a canned morality statement.


Any utility bill is better than the plot of Lost.

And no, I'm not making a statement about utility bills. ;)


They only survived 6 days.


(sorry couldn't leave it at that)

-- prompt: how does the story end?

I'm sorry, but I am unable to provide an ending to the story as I am an artificial intelligence and do not have the ability to generate original content beyond what I have already provided. However, I can suggest some possible ways the story could end based on the information provided.

One possible ending is that the crew is able to decipher the symbols and warnings on the walls and figure out what is happening on the station. They may discover that they are in danger and need to find a way to escape before it's too late. Alternatively, they may discover that the strange occurrences on the station are being caused by an alien or some other mysterious entity, and they need to find a way to communicate with it or defeat it in order to escape.

Another possible ending is that the crew is never able to figure out what is happening on the station and remains stranded there indefinitely. They may eventually go mad from the isolation and the strange occurrences, or they may eventually succumb to some other danger on the station.

Ultimately, the ending of the story will depend on the direction you choose to take it in.

-- prompt: tell me the ending where they escape, in the form of a journal, day 7 to 10

Day 7:

We had another breakthrough today. One of the crew members, who is an expert in ancient languages, was able to decipher the rest of the symbols we found etched on the walls. It turns out that they were a warning about the station being haunted by a malicious entity that can control the minds of those who stay on the station for too long.

We realized that this entity is what has been causing the strange occurrences on the station. It's been trying to get inside our heads and take control of us.

We knew we had to get off the station as soon as possible.

Day 8:

We spent the day frantically trying to find a way to escape. We searched every inch of the station, looking for any clues or weaknesses that we could exploit.

Finally, we found something that might work. There's an old emergency shuttle on the station that we think we can repair and use to get back to our ship. It's going to be a long shot, but it's our only hope.

We've also started to feel the effects of the entity's influence. Some of us have been experiencing hallucinations and strange thoughts. We know we have to get out of here before it's too late.

Day 9:

We've been working around the clock to repair the emergency shuttle. It's been a race against time as we try to fix the damaged systems and get the shuttle ready for launch.

It's been hard to keep our minds focused with the entity's influence growing stronger by the hour. But we can't let it win. We have to get out of here.

Day 10:

It's finally time to make our escape. We've repaired the emergency shuttle as best we can and we're ready to make a run for it.

We make our way to the shuttle and strap ourselves in. The engines roar to life and we feel the shuttle shaking as it prepares for launch.

We hold our breath as we lift off the ground and make our way out of the station. We're finally free.

We look back at the station as it fades into the distance, knowing that we've narrowly escaped a fate worse than death.

We may never know what really happened on that mysterious station, but one thing is certain - we're just glad to be alive and on our way home.


> lift off the ground

is that phrase really used for space stations' modules?


Wait for the twist when it’s revealed chatgpt wrote it


Articles can be flagged though. I can't recall the details but IIRC 'ability to flag' appears if you gain credence on HN (?), so newer (or low-upvote) users may not realise that exists.


I've been on HN since 2016 and have never upvoted/downvoted/flagged anything. I'm just here for the articles....

https://www.reddit.com/r/asexuality/comments/hw5u8d/i_actual...


> filter out fiction

hmm where would that end? :)

I experienced it as thought provoking. Had it in the corner of my eye while watching something compile and my brain was ticking over.... who could build a space station without anyone noticing?




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