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The fact that computers can now turn themselves back on at any time without the user's consent to do whatever they want to do is absolutely mind-boggling to me, but what's way worse is the fact that this is actually considered normal and acceptable by most users. Where did everything go so wrong?


A multitude of factors, one of which being that users refuse, are unwilling, or are unable, to learn how their tools work, therefore corporations have taken it upon themselves to shield them from having to do so, and have become the stewards/priests of this magical item living in their house/office/pocket.


When computers went from speciality devices to a necessary home appliance. People were not updating or turning off automatic updates. Leading to huge bot and malware networks.


What exactly is the problem with most users finding this normal and acceptable? I assume that you have some personal dislike for this behavior, but can you really apply that to other people?


Are you really asking what's wrong with people willingly being owned by products instead of owning them?


Until you prove that devices turning on without human intervention is equal to "people willingly being owned by products" then no, I don't see why I'd be asking that. Is that something you want to prove?


Computers are a tool.

The human is supposed to own and control the tool so he can use it to perform tasks.

If the human wants to use the tool to perform a task and the tool says "sorry, I don't feel like doing that right now, I decided to do something else, tough luck", then the human does not control the tool, the tool controls the human.


Let's take that to it's obvious conclusion. The user is running a kernel update. The user wants to run minecraft. The system cannot run a kernel update and run minecraft. The system actively prevents them from starting other apps while doing a kernel update! Therefore the user is ruled by their Operating System! How dare Linux Torvalds!

You should think about what users want, not just what YOU want. Most users want security and convenience. They therefore WANT auto-updates and they are entirely OKAY with making the tradeoff that entails. YOU may not like it, but you don't get to stop things from working a certain way because you disagree with the average user.

TL;DR: Your own argument defeats itself. Computers are a tool, and users are choosing the best tool for the job. End of story.




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