what even is devops in the first place? Like is it just IT for deployments with a bunch of management lingo tacked on?
like how are there people in the industry working on this sort of thing who can't code?
It just bugs me, I talked with someone from work whose job title was System Engineer; I asked them if they do systems programming or something... and they said they don't know how to program (even after getting some kind of tech degree!!)
Cloud engineer. Must write Cloudformation templates if AWS, know many resource types and properties, know linux and networks. Python is a plus for fringe cases automation, when there is no clear cloud vendor solution.
a sysadmin who codes, or a programmer who has learned systems.
it was supposed to be a culture and set of tools to close the gaps between developers and operations but its more building automations that make ops disappear because docker hard or some other nonsense.
There is and isn't. SRE is Google's more strictly defined DevOps, basically - after DevOps started to get slapped across everything (classic sysadmins, CI/CD tooling people, etc.), Google came out with something that basically defines, more narrowly, something very similar to the DevOps role (as originally intended), in a lot of detail.
There is a slight difference in focus though, because DevOps also focuses on the role's interactions with development, while SRE focused on the role itself and using metrics and data to be able to do the work required (SLOs, etc.).
I personally prefer the SRE term, because it's usually better understood and has a narrower meaning. DevOps can mean a lot more different things.
Is that really a relevant question? A full-stack title usually means web front-end, mobile, web back-end (or API), and database. Its a generalist title. You work mostly with HTTP, but even then an API framework may hide that.
If you're deploying to a PaaS you may never care about or notice lower layers. If not, your team may have a specialist (DevOps, platform engineer, network engineer) who manages network configuration, DNS, load balancer, connection pooling, firewalls, VPN, and other details.
The “stack” in full-stack engineering used to refer to the software stack, not the network stack.
The old-school eponymous LAMP stack used to be Linux, Angular, MySQL, and PHP. You wouldn’t necessarily have had to have known the OSI model to be proficient in those technologies.
like how are there people in the industry working on this sort of thing who can't code?
It just bugs me, I talked with someone from work whose job title was System Engineer; I asked them if they do systems programming or something... and they said they don't know how to program (even after getting some kind of tech degree!!)