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Launch HN: Iollo (YC S22) – At-home metabolomics test to extend healthy lifespan
167 points by danielgomari on Aug 3, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 144 comments
Hi Hacker News! We’re Dan, Jan, and Brent from iollo (https://www.iollo.com/). We’re developing an at-home metabolomics test that measures hundreds of “metabolites” in blood, which studies have shown can inform about health status, disease risk, dietary patterns, and physical activity. We will then provide evidence-based dietary, behavioral, and therapeutic treatments to help extend the number of years you’re disease-free (your “healthspan”).

Today’s healthcare system is reactive, meaning diseases are treated only after symptoms are present. By the time they are detected, they’re often already serious issues that require irreversible interventions, like taking lifelong medications and living with their side effects. Collectively, we end up spending trillions of dollars treating diseases reactively that can often be prevented with good health monitoring and management. Also, a lot of age-related diseases develop as a result of molecular imbalances that accumulate over years.

One scientific field where many of these molecules can be measured is called metabolomics. Having worked in this field for more than a decade, we know that the technology exists to detect potential signs of chronic conditions at the earliest stages, when they are most actionable. Dan has a PhD and did his postdoctoral research at Stanford in computational biology and metabolomics. His work covers healthspan extension, lifespan extension and machine learning-based tools for drug repurposing. Jan, who was Dan’s PhD thesis supervisor, is a professor of computational biomedicine and metabolomics at Cornell. He has published over 90 metabolomics-related papers, with a focus on age-related chronic diseases, such as cancer, type 2 diabetes, and Alzheimer’s disease. Brent was the co-founder of Circle Medical, a primary care provider via video and in-person.

The “metabolome” is defined as the complete set of small molecules found in biological organisms with a size of <1,500 Dalton, also known as metabolites [1][2]. This comprises biochemical substances such as amino acids, nucleic acids, fatty acids, vitamins, and hormones, as well as external chemicals like drugs, environmental contaminants, food additives, toxins [3][4] and metabolites produced by the gut microbiome. As of 2022, over 200,000 metabolites have been identified in nature, 40,000 of which are in blood, and over 1,500,000 are expected to still be identified (what we call the dark metabolome) [5].

The same way that fasting glucose has a baseline, other metabolites in blood, like the ~600 that we measure, also have their own baseline and deviations from these baselines have implications for your overall health and aging [6]. Compared to genetic testing, which tells people what might happen to their health, metabolomics tells us exactly what is happening in a body right now. Recent studies have shown links between blood metabolites and the risk or presence of various systemic diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and Alzheimer’s disease; see for example [7].

Here are a few examples of what the first generation of iollo reports will include:

(1) The food a person eats and what actually ends up in their blood are not always the same thing. This is related to the concept of “bioavailability”, which differs from person to person. For example, people with impaired sugar transporters in the gut will not experience the same spike of blood sugar as people with a normal receptor (side note: this is not always a good thing, since sugars that remain in the gut lead to IBD-like problems). Our technology measures various markers of food intake, for example of red meat and plant-based diets, that can show what actually ended up in your blood. This can help guide dietary recommendations and healthy lifestyles.

(2) Your personal rate of aging. Research has shown that there is a “biological age”, which might differ from a person’s actual, chronological age. People who are biologically older than their real age tend to develop more health-related issues and age-related problems compared to people who are biologically young. Our platform will provide the users with estimates of their biological age, as well as their personal rate of aging across repeated time points and potential recommendations to slow down this rate.

(3) Our technology measures so-called “polyamines”, a group of molecules that regular lab tests do not capture today. Polyamines have been shown to improve the immune system in aging individuals, and appear to have protective properties against various diseases. Moreover, recent studies have demonstrated that a long-term, polyamine-rich diet can increase blood levels of these molecules. Hence, polyamines provide an interesting angle of dietary interventions, and the success of this intervention can be monitored with our technology.

(4) We also find some interesting, unexpected metabolites in certain people. For example in one of our pilot studies, one of our participants had a high level of phthalic acid, which can be found in plastics and cosmetics and is a chemical known to disrupt hormones in the body.

The next generation of our technology is expected to provide additional information about mental health markers, metabolic disorders, inflammation and allergies, and many more.

How it works: We send you a blood collection device, the same one we use at Stanford for research studies. After an overnight fasting period, you stick this device to your arm and press a button. A vacuum forms and a lancet (virtually!) painlessly pricks the surface of the skin to collect a small amount (~80uL) of blood over a couple of minutes. The faint feeling is similar to when you attach the new generation of glucose monitors, if you’ve ever used one. The device contains a sponge designed to stabilize the biochemical molecules in blood at room temperature. You package the device with a prepaid return label, and it gets express-shipped directly to the metabolomics lab.

As soon as we receive your sample, we store it at -80°C. Samples are defrosted, centrifuged to collect the desired blood extracts, and the extract is then dried under liquid nitrogen. These blood extracts that contain metabolites are then subjected to two different mass-spectrometry analysis step: first through an ultra-performance liquid chromatography coupled with tandem mass-spectrometry (UPLC-MS/MS), and second through a flow injection analysis tandem mass-spectrometry (FIA-MS/MS) on the same instrument to specifically extract lipids. The measured mass-spectra from the machines are then analyzed using specialized software to obtain quantification values of all metabolites.

Here is a short video of our lab process: https://youtu.be/Jm3mCfHJjX8

The resulting data is then securely sent over to us (we’re HIPAA compliant), and we perform statistical analysis and machine learning to generate an individualized report. Depending on the number of tests you do, the same procedure is repeated after a few weeks or months. This allows the user to build their own, individualized longitudinal metabolic monitoring.

We will associate metabolite profiles with wearables data, diet, supplement and medication intake, and potentially health conditions based on current research, and provide recommendations based on these.

This process also shows the difference between us and the infamous Theranos (a common question we get!) Instead of building our own machines that might end up not working, we rely on decades of research in the mass-spectrometry field and work with established metabolomics labs to ensure the quality of our measurements. Moreover, every bit of information that we communicate to the users will be heavily backed by scientific evidence which we disclose in the delivered reports.

One of the more exciting things we'll be able to do as our metabolomics database grows is to look for new signatures of age-related diseases at earlier and earlier stages. (Such analysis will only be done on de-identified data, only with consent, and only for our work towards extending healthspan.) One example of this is being able to detect early signatures of type 2 diabetes with metabolomics data, up to 12 years in advance, even when someone has a normal fasting glucose [8][9]! Once we’re able to detect these early disease signatures, it is much easier to find interventions to treat them and extend healthy lifespan, especially if they are still very early in development.

We are currently running an internal pilot and taking preorders: https://www.iollo.com/plans. We will be offering a beta version to users who’ve signed up in the coming months. Tests can be pre-ordered at $50, but we won’t charge the full subscription, which is around $212-$276 per test, until your first kit is shipped to you. If you decide to pre-order, we’ll additionally provide you with your entire metabolomics data so that you can run your own association experiments. Just type in the code HNLAUNCH with your pre-order so that we can send you your data. Right now we only ship in the US.

We believe we have a real chance to change the standard of care in health while developing more understanding of human health, physiology, and aging. We hope to expand metabolomics test access to users and patients, and give providers a new way to help treat age-related diseases. We really look forward to your questions and comments and feedback!

Thanks everyone! - Dan, Jan, and Brent.




Some bits of the website really set off my alarm bells.

Having Stanford Medicine and Cornell University logos front and center on the landing page gives the impression that these organizations endorse the product. I know it says, "made by scientists from" right there, but still. It gives me the impression you want to trick me into thinking you're actively affiliated with these institutions.

The example advice of "avoid bell peppers and consider adding arugula" strikes me as unrealistically precise. I am skeptical that there's really research to support that narrow of a recommendation. Under what circumstances does a patient truly need to be told to avoid bell peppers for medical reasons?

"Vitamin D - insufficient, view our recommended brands" makes me think this is a vector to push supplements on people under the guise of personalized recommendations. Do people really need a recommended brand of Vitamin D? How many supplements are you recommending people take?

"Also, only 15% of age-related diseases are genetic. The other 85% are related to your blood metabolome." Is that really true, that there are zero age-related diseases that are neither genetic nor "related to your blood metabolome"?

"use state-of-the-art AI to create your personalized health report and recommendations." Any time someone tells me they use "state of the art" AI, I assume it's a scam. How do you even measure that? Is there a standard benchmark for metabolome-based personalized health report generation?

The overall idea seems perfectly reasonable, but this website gives me the heebie-jeebies.


I am an MD/PhD academic who studies biomarkers of human disease in a related field.

I think some sections of the Terms bear attention:

"You should not change your health behaviors solely on the basis Metabolomic Information from iollo."

"While we measure many hundreds of thousands of data points from your metabolome, only a small percentage of them are known to be related to human traits, age and/or health conditions."

"...many of the Metabolomic discoveries that we report have not been clinically validated, and the technology we use, which is the same technology used by the research community, to date has not been widely used for clinical testing."

Ah, that sounds better.


This (first point)!

In Europe with its public universities this logo placing would have been completely unacceptable unless the universities were involved as stakeholders. As far as I know in Europe at least it's a complete no-go (at least from an ethical point of view) to even use the logos on your personal page if for example you are a physician and you post online your CV.

Again, unless you have specific written permission of the uni in question.


It’s probably a complete no go in this case too unless they have written permission from those institutions.


Appreciate the level of scrutiny, which is important for products like ours.

Re the affiliations, it is correct that these institutions aren’t directly endorsing iollo. Though both Jan and I are actively affiliated with said institutions and are translating what we have learned through our metabolomics research into iollo.

One thing to clarify here is that currently, we don’t treat patients and our tests are only intended to improve wellness. That being said, we do see biomarkers for specific food intake. Coffee is one example, where if someone has an unusually high levels of the biomarker for it and has difficulty sleeping during the night, reducing coffee intake may improve their sleep level and quality. We also have metabolites that associate with specific food, like beer, meat, vegetables and other that we can already use and that have been published. Also as our database grows, we’ll be able identify new food intake markers and will also publish and use them.

At our current stage, we don’t recommend any supplements. It is a part of our roadmap and once we do, we will only give supplement recommendations if we identify solid research that support their health benefits that can also be detected through metabolomics analysis.

Re the age-related diseases, what we mean on the website is that the genetic population attributable fraction for age-related diseases is around 15%, and that biological layers that captures the interactions between genetics and the environment which are related to these conditions is ~85%, which includes the metabolome. Source: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... We’ll work on further clarifying the language in a way that it would still be understandable from people outside of the research field.


Daniel, you are working in a field that has a low tolerance for doublespeak.

Parent has politely pointed out that the website needs revision. 85% of disease is related to the blood metabome? No. You will be detecting early disease signatures in a clincally actionable manner? No, you will almost certainly not be, and you know this.

The data isn't actually PHI. Stanford isn't actually a partner. AI in this field isn't actually real. Nature Medicine isn't actually Nature. Ect.

For historical reasons the benefit of doubt with regard to the scientific credibility of your startup is low. In my opinion, it would be better if you made an effort not to prove this assumption correct.


> Re the affiliations, it is correct that these institutions aren’t directly endorsing iollo.

You may want to talk to the relevant departments in the universities you list, their "innovations" or "spin-out" teams. Typically they have very specific terms under which you can use their logos and mention any form of association. You may well be in breach, and if you work in those universities this could land you in trouble.


> Coffee is one example, where if someone has an unusually high levels of the biomarker for it and has difficulty sleeping during the night, reducing coffee intake may improve their sleep level and quality.

This doesn't seem like something you need a blood test to figure out...


A quick counter point to the parent comment: I'd actually love to have supplement recommendations from a trusted source. I've heard on multiple occasions that many supplements found in large retailers don't have the ingredients they claim to have. So that would be highly valuable to me.


That just moves the trust from the supplement brand to who recommends it. You are still left with a problem of trust.


The problem of trust is never removed. But what must be trusted can be made explicit, the burden of trust can be shifted to more trustworthy parties, or to parties who have less problematic incentives.


What makes you think Iollo is more trustworthy or has better incentives?

They are using enough shady language that my trust level is pretty low, and I suspect one of the major incentives to recommend one supplement over another is financial.


Nothing. I was commenting generally about what is achievable in endeavors like this. Normally it's a parry for blockchain bros (who are stupidly enthusiastic) or cynics (who are often blind to vulnerabilities in existing trust relationships).


I've heard https://www.consumerlab.com/ recommended a few times - they run a membership based service that reviews supplements.

No personal experience with them, though (and I am skeptical about supplements in general).


Hi guys, first great effort and as someone who worked in a metabolomics lab I know how amazingly sensitive and rich the information one can gather even from a small amount of blood.

That said, the million dollar question you have to answer in healthy persons is "how is this better than normal lab tests? (CBC, CMP, TSH, UA)?" For example regarding diabetes - there is HbA1c and microalbuminuria, both of which can detect abnormal glucose years before diabetes and prevent it.

If you can prove that these tests add value to the battery of already very cheap and ubiquitous tests, then you will have widespread adoption.

Clinical metabolomics is a very nascent field and best of luck to you!


Do you have published research demonstrating that the sample collection process (and the 80uL specifically) is sufficiently precise to detect and quantify these metabolites into clinically meaningful ranges? This was the core problem with Theranos IIRC. I've quickly reviewed your sources below and they seem to be related to the clinical value of metabolites, I haven't seen one describing precision of the device itself.

I see you mention Theranos, but to be honest, this won't be the last time you get asked these questions. Every partner, news interview, and many potential customers will bring it up. So much so, that I would create a page specifically addressing these issues (in more detail than the FAQ).


Yes, mass-spectrometry-based metabolomics can be performed on as little as 20ul in certain cases, and 80ul is certainly enough. Below are a few studies from other authors and platforms, and there are many more out there.

https://arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.118... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8340475/

Specifications by an academic metabolomics facilty: https://www.embl.org/groups/metabolomics/faq/

Regarding your Theranos comment: You are absolutely right. This is something we will have to deal with, and where are actively working on our messaging.


The blood test accuracy problem that Theranos ran into wasn't so much about the specimen volume, but rather that they drew the blood from capillaries too close to the skin and thus it wasn't representative of blood circulating in larger veins. For some tests where they were just looking for any presence of certain substances that was good enough, but it couldn't work reliably for any test that needs consistent, quantitative results.


Does one do a benchmark by running the same tests, at different volumes with the same blood across multiple testing machines/methods, and then compare the results for accuracy/variance?


Yes, exactly. We are running internal validation tests to (a) compare the quality of the measurements with larger amounts of blood collected the "regular" way, and (b) validate that the storage and transportation at room temperature does not have detrimental effects on the measurements.


> At no time shall your Personal Information, including blood or metabolomic data collected from you in accordance with this Privacy Policy be deemed to be an electronic health record or an electronic medical record for any purpose, including without limitation for the purpose of compliance with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996.

Does this mean you other medical professionals can't get the data / records of these tests?


It just means that you are the owner of the data.

If you want to have your data, you can download them at any time and share them with anyone you want.

If you want us to delete the data, we will do that.

If you don't say anything, we will never share your data with anyone.


I appreciate what you are trying to say (I think) but the way this is presented seems to contradict previous statement.

> The resulting data is then securely sent over to us (we’re HIPAA compliant)

So the material is considered and under the protection of HIPAA.

> At no time shall your Personal Information, including blood or metabolomic data collected from you in accordance with this Privacy Policy be deemed to be an electronic health record or an electronic medical record for any purpose, including without limitation for the purpose of compliance with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996.

This reads like 'because we do not consider your data to be PHI, therefore it is not under HIPAA.' ergo, lose all HIPAA protection.

Might want to re-write this if that is not what you meant.


I also read that as “we can sell this data”.

The thing you need to remember with consumer protection is that a failing company will abandon everything including ethics in order to pay the piper. Especially after they have laid you off.

There’s a reason some capital E ethical companies put poison pills or time bombs in their charter. Booby traps of this sort actually instill trust in people who have heard a line of bullshit so often they can see it a mile away.


The legal language here can indeed be confusing. EHR and PHI are not the same thing. What is important is that your personal information will not be shared with anyone. We will make sure that the language on our webpage is more concise, thank you for pointing this out.


HIPAA only covers business associates, covered entities and subcontractors. I’m guessing this company is neither of those three. Therefore the “PHI” you provide to them, is not “PHI” under HIPAA since you are providing the data, and not a covered entity.


I've seen this literature used before, you can make such a claim if you are a transmitter of data, e.g. a SMS carrier. However this would certainly fall flat on its face if you were a actual EHR / EMR.


It would be more reassuring for you to explain exactly how you do use the data. Are you training neural networks, even with aggregated/anonymised data? Are you creating synthetic data?

I'd be specifically interested in exactly how you "delete" data after the user requests this, and how you ensure that any data breach could not reveal identifying information. Perhaps HIPAA covers some or all of this, I'm not sure. But personally I'd want extremely detailed reassurance about these items.


This is what I was looking for


How comfortable do you feel making these kinds of recommendations?

I feel like during my lifetime overall nutritional guidance has swung on plenty of things. One example would be eggs - "those are good for you, no wait they're bad and drive up your cholesterol, no wait, the cholesterol in eggs doesn't seem to raise cholesterol in humans who consume eggs".

I can see where you'd feel you have an edge by measuring each individual's blood over time and you can see how test results change after making changes in diet or behavior - except maybe you aren't factoring in so many other changes. Maybe I moved somewhere colder and I'm getting less sunlight. Maybe I got COVID. Maybe I took up swimming. Ok, so now a blood test is showing that I'm at a slightly higher risk for a disease - do I follow Iollo's dietary guidance? Do I try to get more Vitamin D? Do I just write it off as noise?


Regarding your first question on recommendations, and potential changes in established interventions (the egg example). In the earlier phases, we will mostly focus on established interventions that affect the metabolome and health and that have already been published by others, such as the DASH diet and exercise regimes. As you build your metabolomic trends over time, we'll then transition into more of our proprietary interventions.

Regarding your discussion of potential confounding factors due to changes in lifestyle parameters (swimming, sunlight etc.). That's an excellent question and important topic. For some metabolites, this does not matter. For example, if your glucose or Hba1c levels go above a certain value, you have diabetes, and it doesn't matter how it got there. For other metabolites, there might indeed be some external factors that influence the results. As you said, maybe you move somewhere cold, your metabolite levels suddenly switch, and the report says "warning". We have two answers for this: (1) For a lot of metabolites, these types of environmental factors and whether or not they play a role have been investigated in research studies and we thus know them. (2) Prior to each test, we will ask for as many lifestyle parameters as possible so we know that a certain change occurred and we can account for those in our analyses. Also over time, as we build our database, we will be able to automatically detect these changes for you and account for them (similar to Apple Watch's movement detector).


> I feel like during my lifetime overall nutritional guidance has swung on plenty of things. One example would be eggs - "those are good for you, no wait they're bad and drive up your cholesterol, no wait, the cholesterol in eggs doesn't seem to raise cholesterol in humans who consume eggs".

I feel like the major trend is acknowledging that there aren't many singular things which are bad enough for you to materially move the needle. Health (especially as you age) has a lot luck involved.

Sure, you're not going to fare very well if you're constantly stressed, never exercise, eat terribly, do a ton of drugs, and have an awful sleep schedule.

But whether or not you put kale or romaine in your green smoothie is not going to move the needle in a way that matters. Just like whether or not you have some eggs for breakfast most days or not is not going to materially move the needle.

It seemed like the "health craze" really started somewhere around the early 90s, when people started thinking about all these different vitamins they should be taking and foods they should be eating. I'm guessing this is just when people really started to market and push these products. It probably took 30 years to undo that and convince people they can settle down and there's way more important health decisions one can make than whether or not you eat eggs.


> It seemed like the "health craze" really started somewhere around the early 90s

In the 1700's people were literally blowing smoke up their asses. In the 1800's the Kellogg brothers invented the consumer packaged health-foods market. There's nothing new about health crazes. Maybe the 90's is when you entered the demo of "possible health craze customer" and you started see it?


In Annie Hall(?) a character mentions "Everything our parents told us was good for us, is bad for us. Sunshine, red meat, college, everything they said was good for us is bad for us!"


The Sleeper?


This sounds very interesting and I am tempted to sign up. But the biggest worry for me is the privacy of the data. There is a mention on the website that data isn't shared without consent. But that can always change in the future once VCs get involved and they are trying to maximize revenue. Or the business model changes.


This is actually not possible. There is a set of laws called the "Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act" or HIPAA. This prohibits us and anyone else to misuse your data and share them without your consent.


> Many people don’t realize that the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) actually enables information sharing. HIPAA (specifically the HIPAA Privacy Rule) defines the circumstances in which a Covered Entity (CE) may use or disclose an individual’s Protected Health Information (PHI). HIPAA provides many pathways for permissibly exchanging PHI, which are commonly referred to as HIPAA Permitted Uses and Disclosures.

https://www.healthit.gov/topic/interoperability/how-hipaa-su...


Thanks again for raising these points. They’re great feedback, especially in that we want to build a privacy-first company. As our next step, we’ll be taking all of these points to our legal team to update our privacy policy, and we’ll have a data security officer join our team soon.


You are absolutely right. What it comes down to, however, is consent by the individual. Data will not be shared without your permission. We will make sure our legal language is clearer here.


I think what people are getting at is that the legal language can be changed after an acquisition and our previously-safe data is now owned by a less scrupulous entity.


But what data? All of it or some subset? Aggregated, differentially privatised, non-identifiable chunks?

Without specific explanations, you could always weasel out of vague promises.

Sorry to sound negative. I'd love a service like this, but there's a very high bar for responsible implementation (in my opinion) and VC seems very unlikely to be compatible with responsibility.

Basically, what is your business model? Are you only making money from subscriptions, or through other means? What are the VC's expectations?


You went from "this is not possible" to "will not be shared without your permission" in one reply sequence. This whole thread is covered with people noting your website's doublespeak.

I think you need to stop for a bit and think about what ethical behavior is.


It's concerning that you either don't understand HIPAA at all, or you're using it as a smoke screen to not actually address the concerns raised. Neither option is great here...


I was interested in signing up, but then saw that you get raw data for metabolites only with the $160/month plan.

This seems as if it costs you actually $0 to provide since you have that data as a prerequisite for doing anything. Why would you not provide that for every plan?

Also "get basic tips" on the lowest cost plan doesn't provide enough information to know whether it will be anything interesting or usable.


The data you refer to is almost certainly covered under HIPAA and required to be released to the patient upon request. See this on genetic tests, something similar: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/2048/does-an...

So there are a couple of options here:

- They won't provide raw data to the lower tiers at first, get sued, face consequences for HIPAA violations, and provide raw data to all tiers thereafter

- They are being sneaky with their marketing, calling attention to the fact that raw data is provided with their expensive plans, while being quiet about the fact that they also have to provide it with the cheap plans.


This. They really seem to be off on the wrong foot from an honestly and clarity perspective.


In fact, valid point on the data download. After the feedback we have received, we will change this and everyone will get their data. Regarding the basic tips, we are working on an example report so users can see what they are getting.


I have no insight into the actual company's thinking, but in general there's not necessarily any relationship between the cost to provide a feature of software and the amount that is charged to use it. It's usually more about willingness/ability to pay. If most of the people who need access to the raw data have a certain use case that means they're willing to pay for the expensive plan, that's a good reason to charge for it, assuming your goal is to make money as a business.


In 2013 FDA shut down 23andMe's direct-to-consumer reports because they said consumers would misunderstand genetic information and "self treat". FWIW I thought this was a dumb decision and feel lucky that I was grandfathered in to some helpful reports before the FDA put the kibosh on them.

Do you think this is a risk to you? How will you deal with the FDA?


In general, it's good that the FDA is holding companies to a certain standard. We're currently running our tests under an IRB and this is actually one of the first steps for us to have enough data to start our application to the FDA.


How can consumers feel confident that the insights they're getting are backed by legitimate research? (In other words, how are you escaping the perception that this is Theranos 2.0?)


Every piece of information reported to the users will be presented in a digestible way. This will include both, hard scientific evidence but also a lay version of what it means. If you want to, you will be able to look up and verify everything yourself. We will also make sure to draw the line between definitive statements ("this measurement means you are sick") and suggestive statements ("this might mean something, go see a doctor") in order to not oversell anything.


Thank you for sharing. What marketing strategies are you considering to ensure consumer trust is your top value when you go to market?


Theranos did bog standard lab tests, drawing blood from a vein the old fashioned way, “surprise we have a needle! i thought… nope neeeedle!” then cocked them up in the lab, and used standard lab equipment instead of some mac cube lookalike designed to woo investors. So their case had nothing to do with legitimate research vs. not, but just a scammy scummy company overall.


Everybody thought Theranos was legitimate too. No way for consumers to tell.

There's so much fluff and scams in this industry, YC isn't exactly above it either. ex) coinbase

Maybe this is legitimate maybe its not. We have no way of knowing.


The difference is that we will disclose and publish as much of the science behind the product as possible, while Theranos was all promises, no delivery.


Am a doctor. Have a question. What’s the evidence base you’re planning to use in justifying the treatment and recommendations?

There’s often a big divide in things that make sense to treat, and things that should actually be treated. In other words, with what studies will you know if the effect is clinically significant or not?

Not wanting to be antagonistic. Genuinely curious.


The idea certainly excites me.

Given the possibility that some findings might lead to the need for medication, are you going to have MDs or PAs or whoever on staff who can prescribe those?

For metabolites found in very low concentrations where draw-to-draw variance is high, how do you deal with that when a person is only sending you one sample at a time?

Is there ever going to be any effort to have this payable by health insurance?

Are you doing anything with the feedback data? As in, someone sends you a sample, you tell them to make a behavioral change, does your advice change if future samples don't show a positive intervention effect? How do you know if patients comply with your recommendations?

Are you going to offer genetic testing so, say, someone with high LDL or whatever can know if that's due to diet or they just lost the genetic lottery and nothing but statins can possibly help them?

I think LDL is not a metabolite but since your "what's measured" page ends with "more published below" and then there is nothing below, I'm not sure what the full extent is of what you're testing for. If not LDL, presumably something you're testing for can have many sources, including genetic propensity, diet, and other environmental factors. How do you determine which of those is most causally relevant before prescribing an intervention?


> Given the possibility that some findings might lead to the need for medication, are you going to have MDs or PAs or whoever on staff who can prescribe those?

Yes, for when we enter the diagnostics phase of our tests, we will be working with MDs and PAs who can prescribe medication.

> For metabolites found in very low concentrations where draw-to-draw variance is high, how do you deal with that when a person is only sending you one sample at a time?

We will have a reference cohort in place to which your measurements will be compared. Thus, even for a single measurement, we can make statements about values that are out of range. The most benefit will come from longitudinal sampling, where we can see how your blood metabolite levels move over time.

> Is there ever going to be any effort to have this payable by health insurance?

Yes, it’s on our roadmap. We’re also now working on having our tests HSA/FSA eligible.

> Are you doing anything with the feedback data? As in, someone sends you a sample, you tell them to make a behavioral change, does your advice change if future samples don't show a positive intervention effect? How do you know if patients comply with your recommendations?

We are. And you’re exactly on point in that if the interventions have 0 effects on a person, it will be omitted in subsequent reports. Though, we usually see effects on the metabolome with interventions and it becomes a matter of adjusting them. Which ties into our recommendations getting better and better for a person as they continue testing and acting on those recommendations. In terms of how we know if a person complies with recommendations, based on our database, we know of metabolic patterns that would indicate compliance,

> Are you going to offer genetic testing so, say, someone with high LDL or whatever can know if that's due to diet or they just lost the genetic lottery and nothing but statins can possibly help them?

Currently not, but one feature that we will be implementing soon would be the ability to upload genetic information and we’ll integrate that into our analysis.

> I think LDL is not a metabolite but since your "what's measured" page ends with "more published below" and then there is nothing below, I'm not sure what the full extent is of what you're testing for.

We were not sure where LDL was coming from here? Regarding our webpage, the “more published below” refers to the Nature Medicine paper, we cite further down on the page. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01266-0

> If not LDL, presumably something you're testing for can have many sources, including genetic propensity, diet, and other environmental factors. How do you determine which of those is most causally relevant before prescribing an intervention?

That’s a good question and will be decided case by case. As an example, if your glucose levels are elevated and you have diabetes, it doesn't really matter why that happened, the consequences are the same. But indeed, there are special cases especially of genetic variants that need special attention. We will work on those and present the data accordingly in the reports.


Medical epidemiologist here. This has such a Theranos ring to it. No response to the questions about the evidence base for claims of new predictive insights - only references to studies that provide prediction and guidance based on currently available routine blood workups and common dietary interventions. Everything "new" appears to be speculative and to come (perhaps) from insights based on longitudinal data collection.

As I read this it is hoped that the technology will provide new predictive disease insights but these are not established yet. So many metabolic/biochemical screens have poor prediction at the individual level.

If I have misunderstood can you cite one NEW predictive insight your technology provides with some kind of performance parameter - predictive value positive, 10 year incidence, or receiver operating curve performance?

Couple of years ago I was part of a pre-accelerator group assessing the product market fit for independent assessment of new medical technologies. The consultation revealed that most investors in new medical technologies had no idea how to evaluate the technology, didn't know they they didn't know how to assess the technology, and didn't want to pay someone else to do it.


In the first generation of our tests, we’ll be basing our reports on already published studies. For example, we look at spermidine (a polyamine), which is not available as a routine blood test and is a metabolite that could be acted upon. Epidemiological studies have shown that spermidine-rich diets are protective against cardiovascular disease and reduce the risk of cardiac death in humans. See references here:

- https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.4222, Figure 5

- https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3271/9/2/22/htm

- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8750749/

Even though these studies have looked into metabolites in relation to chronic conditions, in the first generation of our reports, we’ll not be providing individuals with any diagnostic information and our tests right now are only intended for wellness purposes.

Regarding diagnostic predictive markers, I want to reiterate that we are not a diagnostics company at this stage and to quote from our post, “as our [longitudinal] metabolomics database grows [we will] look for new signatures of age-related diseases at earlier and earlier stages. (Such analysis will only be done on de-identified data, only with consent, and only for our work towards extending healthspan.) “.

With that being said, there are other groups that have done a great job of validating metabolite biomarkers that do provide relatively new predictive insights into chronic disease prediction and risk. One example is this paper where they looked at type 2 diabetes risk in individuals with *normal fasting glucose* (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00125-018-4599-x):

Nineteen metabolites were selected repeatedly in the training dataset for type 2 diabetes incidence classification and were found to improve type 2 diabetes risk prediction beyond conventional type 2 diabetes risk factors (AUC was 0.81 for risk factors vs 0.90 for risk factors + metabolites, p = 1.1 × 10-4).

In adjusted Cox proportional hazard models, the type 2 diabetes risk per 1 SD increase in glycine, taurine and phenylalanine was 0.65 (95% CI 0.54, 0.78), 0.73 (95% CI 0.59, 0.9) and 1.35 (95% CI 1.11, 1.65), respectively. Mendelian randomisation demonstrated a similar relationship for type 2 diabetes risk per 1 SD genetically increased glycine (OR 0.89 [95% CI 0.8, 0.99]) and phenylalanine (OR 1.6 [95% CI 1.08, 2.4]).

The same group also published on this topic before: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.2307

Although we already measure these metabolites and others in our current panel and we are able to calculate these score, we will not be providing these score since we’re not a diagnostics company at our current stage.


Couple of questions:

- Do you have an example of what a report looks like?

- What's your turnaround time?

- Do you have an option to do one test if we're unsure we want to commit to a year?

- Can we do anonymized user information from the start, ie not providing name, address, etc (given recent supreme court decisions, it's not off the table that one day insurance companies would be allowed to access this data)


EDIT: here is a link to single-kit orders: https://bit.ly/iollo-single-kit

To answer your questions:

- Thanks for the suggestion, we're currently working on the example reports with our pilot users and will publish some of them soon.

- Our turnaround time is currently 2-3 weeks, but we're working to significantly reduce that.

- Given this feedback we're receiving, we'll implement that option shortly. For now if you want to try it, you can get the one test plan and I'll cancel the subscription for you.

- This is a good question, and we have to look into this. Data privacy is a big topic for many people. We have to mail the package somewhere, but maybe there are options.


On the last point, I don't think that is a huge problem. If you are doing one-off tests, then you could just automatically send them as "gift wrapped" which leaves it open to interpretation whether they used it or someone else used it (as long as you don't store PII)


Do you have concerns about over-diagnosis, turning people in patients unnecessarily? Can this information creating outsized worry and psychological impacts that exceed the potential problem that may or may not eventuate? In the US I imagine there are also insurance implications.


Yes, we are taking this topic very seriously, especially in the light of recent genetic testing controversies. We will work hard on not only making the science behind our reports solid, but also making sure that the reports are communicated clearly. Early generations of the technology will mostly focus on overall health status and fitness. As for disease diagnosis, every single case will be worked out individually, will be tested, and will also be subject to regulatory scrutiny.


Some of the (?indicative) screengrabs on your website also seem to suggest that your app will advise a 'dietary source' when some level is low - is this actually your intention?

Because it's far from obvious that dietary supplementation of X is going to have a causal link to a reduction in problem Y, where Y is associated with low levels of X.

For example, a low ferritin isn't always best treated with iron supplements - certainly they won't treat the bowel cancer that could be the underlying cause.


This is exciting technology. Something I want but that does not exist is being able to test your blood with your own personal device without sending any of the data or blood over to private corporations. The corporations only sell the software.

You'd be able to download different programs that analyze your current health state from blood, or any other marker. The device would be able to tell if you are at risk for any disease just from a common set of samples.

I know this is kind of unrealistic, because to make better programs you need data from people. But who knows. Maybe one day we'll get there.


This may be what you are looking for: https://www.bloomdiagnostics.com/


Their site says they will only ship to Austria, Germany, or Italy, and you have to promise you're a medical professional to even get to checkout (I don't know whether it's further enforced if you do have an address they ship to.)


Congrats on the launch! We need more folks trying to bring the tricoder to reality. I knew about DNA-methylation but this novel way seems more apt for scale.


We're working on it captain!


> Moreover, every bit of information that we communicate to the users will be heavily backed by scientific evidence which we disclose in the delivered reports.

Will it be possible to contact people with similar profiles to create new scientific evidence? E.g. if some marker is too low, it would be nice to work with others with the same problem to figure out how to increase the value.


This is an excellent idea. Community engagement is something we have definitely thought about and is now part of our roadmap. Matchmaking between people could add an interesting level of communication and exchange. We will need to make sure to address any possible privacy concerns, and we'll be working on it.


This ^^

For all the privacy concerns, I'd love to be able to opt to waive them / opt in to groups of people with similar results and exchange notes / personal findings.

And would love to contribute to medical research in a way that's less onerous on researchers.

And of course there'd be some misunderstandings - consumer beware...


Is "Iollo" pronounced like "YOLO"?


(^◡^)


That's very clever honestly. All those 1's and 0's in there makes the wordmark looks "very computers," but it's also a meme, and it's also about longevity. A lot packed in there.


A lot thought went into picking this name, glad you noticed :)


Wasn't the whole point of YOLO to be something you "ironically" shout while doing something that might very well get you dead?


Congratulations on the launch.

Why 1, 3, 6, or 9 tests per year? (Seems odd considering 52 weeks, or 12 months for periodicity. Only 6 divides into 12. Maybe 1, 2, 4, 6, and 12?)

> 30-min call with Stanford/Cornell scientist to go through results

9 times, or once? I have seen other industries (e.g financial, hotel, airline) attempting to sell 'high touch' service as an upgrade. I have yet to see one that is worthwhile or is profitable.

> Integration with wearables and diet tracking apps

Can you describe what wearables and what diet tracking apps?

As others have asked, a sample report would be lovely.

> You must live in the US, be 18 years or older, and not pregnant to be participate.

I think you are looking for 'Have US address'. Or, you are looking for US address and US funds?


Thanks.

- We've seen that people want different levels of granularity of their metabolomic trends, and these are the test frequencies where we could accommodate for those granularity levels.

- Regarding the calls: In the beginning, we will offer guidance for every measurement, if they request it.

- For the wearables, we're including Fitbit, Garmin, Apple Watch, Whoop, and Aura, and for the diet tracking app it'll initially be myFitnessPal, and Cronometer.

- Right now we can only ship our tests inside the US, so anyone currently in and with an address in the US.


Congratulations on the launch! I've always been fascinated by metabolomics, but it felt like such a complex data problem. What sort of recommendations will you make based on my results? How did you develop the recommendations?


Thanks! Right now, the recommendation we'd be providing will be based on published studies that are known to positively impact the metabolome and health. We match your metabolomic profile, based on the deviations we see, with recommendations that could benefit your metabolome the most. For example some well-studied interventions that we could match you with include the DASH diet [1] (which reduces the risk for heart disease), fasting [2, 3], targeted physical activity [4], and soon, statin intake [5], metformin [6] medication (which has been shown to extend healthspan), and many more. As you build your metabolomic trends when you test over time, we'll also be able to train personalized ML models for you and give you better and better recommendations that you'll actually respond to.

References:

[1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/108/2/243/5038205

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412259/

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32931723/

[4] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30508-0

[5] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCGENETICS.117.001...

[6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8508882/


Very cool! Are you a wrapper for Metabolon - e.g. are they doing the untargeted work or do you all have your own LCMS farm? If you ever get interested in adding a microbial metabolites angle to this drop me a line.


Thanks! We aren't working with metabolon but rather doing targeted metabolomics work. We do have some microbiome-related metabolites in our panel, and will definitely reach out once we want to expand it!


Congratulations on launch!

You are using established lab gear and existing research on metabolites, which helps establish credibility. So you have first mover advantage in that you have learned HIPPA compliance and will be first for FDA approval.

If this product was a huge success, is the thing that would make it difficult for copycats your ML-based data analysis software?

Lots of ppl have sensitive data, but, what could you say to customers that would give them cybersecurity comfort?


1) Providing raw data at the lowest plan would evince more interest. It would not cost you any more.

Also, the plan should allow for ad-hoc testing at a slightly lower price as a repeat customer.

This way, I might set a baseline, and after I go through a bout of illness, I can measure myself incrementally.

2) A page with markers you provide related to a specific condition would be helpful, for example, I am genetically disposed to heart disease, and would like to keep track of those that can impact it.


EDIT: here is a link to single-kit orders: https://bit.ly/iollo-single-kit

1) You are right. We have repeatedly received this feedback now. We will make the data available for all plans, and we will add a one-kit purchase option.

2) Yes, this is the kind of report presentation we are working on and we will work with the community as much as possible to design these reports.


please don't use link shorteners: https://buy.stripe.com/8wMeYY3SM9B7fgkaEJ


How stabile is your "biological age" stat? Is this more like blood glucose (can change dramatically in minutes) or A1C (takes weeks to move significantly) or is it even more stable than that? Said another way: In the extreme case where you had a subject that was chrono_age = 60yrs and bio_age = 70yrs and they were perfectly compliant to your recommended interventions, how fast could you get the bio_age measure down to 50yrs?


The biological age takes months to move. After a certain number of tests, we'll be able to model how your bio_age responds to the recommendations and consequently make them better and better for you.


I have a question based on what you said here:

> one of our participants had a high level of phthalic acid, which can be found in plastics and cosmetics and is a chemical known to disrupt hormones in the body

Does this mean that if elevated levels of some weird metabolite are found in my blood, you'll let me know? You say you measure 600 of them - does that mean you check for weird/high levels of all 600, and if you find some, they'll be in the report?


That's 100% correct.


"Your personal rate of aging. Research has shown that there is a “biological age”, which might differ from a person’s actual, chronological age. People who are biologically older than their real age tend to develop more health-related issues and age-related problems compared to people who are biologically young. Our platform will provide the users with estimates of their biological age, as well as their personal rate of aging across repeated time points and potential recommendations to slow down this rate."

I question whether it's emotionally healthy for all users to have a direct measure of their aging to this degree. If I were a customer, I'd prefer to receive the actionable advice (the "how to decrease this rate of aging") without knowing the exact rate or my rate relative to the average. Especially if there were aspects outside of my control. If some other thing shows up as actionable but there's not really much in the metabolite data relevant to aging rate, cool - show me that stuff instead. If the data does show there are actions that I should take to reduce rate of aging, cool - recommend me those actions.

Certainly not saying one shouldn't be able to get at this data from your service, but that perhaps it should be an onboarding option to not receive that level of granularity.


Yes, we agree that being confronted with a health issue without any way to go forward would be emotionally stressful. For aging specifically, the good news is that an overall healthy lifestyle (diet, exercise, sleep) appears to slow the biological aging process. So, if we report an accelerated aging rate to you, this could also serve as a simple wake-up call to do something.

The idea of masking certain aspects with different levels of granularity during onboarding and according to each person's comfort level is excellent. We will take this into consideration.


Awesome to hear, sounds like you get that that could be an issue for users with feelings of struggling to control their health or wanting to optimize it and feeling powerless with regards to aging and mortality.

I'll just say, that even IF you can provide actionable advice to improve things, I still wouldn't want a number or quantifiable thing regarding aging rate. Something like sleep quality or weight change is more indirect and I feel fine knowing the stats. But with actual aging, not even sure I'd want the boolean 'you are experiencing accelerated aging' vs 'you are no longer experiencing accelerated aging' or 'you aren't experiencing accelerated aging'.

Like, look at something like Apple Health that prompts the user to try to get in their daily steps. Or an app reminding an elderly person to stand up every hour. Or to look away from their screen.

Those reminders could secretly be informed by the patient's health markers, but the patient need not think about that or their raw score.

I think the value I'd find in a service like Iollo is getting targeted advice/actions dependent on my own metabolically problematic markers - maybe Iollo's advice changes whether I have sleep issues or hormone problems or eating too much or am smoking cigarettes - and to have those actions/advice change over time dynamically as new input / measurements are received by your systems, as opposed to seeing a line graph showing me just how much I fucked up my body in April when I was grieving a loss of a parent with sleepness nights and hitting the whiskey a bit too hard, just yielding more anxiety and self-recrimination.

On the other hand - I wouldn't mind seeing congratulations or seeing Iollo prove that positive steps I took are resulting in improvements. So maybe Iollo telling me that I did a stellar job in improving measures of cardiovascular health over the last 30-90 trailing days, allowing me to feel like I accomplished something by improving habits.


We hear you. You are talking about positive reinforcement rather than negative feedback. And about gradual, quantitative information rather than hard calls on "good" and "bad". Your thoughts are very valuable here, we will take all of this into consideration.


Great idea. Huge longevity freak here. But why are you developing two things? 1. the blood extractor and 2. the test data processing. Seems like the blood extractor is way riskier/complex and unnecessary part of the main point. Unless your main point is blood extraction for numerous other tests.


Thanks and great question. The extractor already exists. It has already been developed and is actively being used in studies at Stanford, Cornell, pharma and other institutions. We are using this collection technology to obtain blood in a pain-free and stable way. Our main R&D is in the data extraction, processing, and analysis.


Pricing is too steep to pull the trigger on something so novel and whose utility, quality, and accuracy won't be obvious (or not) until a few tests are done. I'm not sure how to solve this other than to lower them for early adopters while you establish your brand and reputation.


This is the only pricing model we can offer at the moment. We're actively working on reducing our costs to be able to offer the tests at a more affordable price in the future.


Why am I not able to just give you $250 for a single test that has all the Premium data attached to it? If I see the information is useful, up sell me to multiple tests per year after that.

Right now you want me to pay $1308 (!!!) just to see if your "action plans" are any good. Since literally every other personalized health action plan I have ever seen has been useless, I am not inclined to dump $1308 to find out if you are telling the truth or not.

I would maybe be willing to pay $250 for a single premium result, but I am not going to risk paying $1.3k and end up disappointed.


This looks awesome! I recently did a 2x/mo metabolomics experiment (https://smm-data.herokuapp.com/) and I've been wishing someone would do something like this ever since.

Best of luck!


Thanks so much!


Pity this is US only; Any idea when/if it will be available in Europe? I'm in Germany.


We have to get it to work here in the US first, but if you join the waitlist and tell which country you're in, then it'll help us know where to go next!

Also, Jan and I are from Germany, and Brent lives in Switzerland. Those countries will definitely be on the top of our list!


I’d love to try this on a regular basis. If I am travelling internationally and have my US mail forwarded to me, my concern would be a long return time for international mail. Is there a time limit in which you must receive the sample back?


Great question. There is none, since the sample collection device that we use can stabilize the samples for weeks if not months.


Thanks for hanging around and answering questions. I too was wondering how the shipping affected the sample while it was in transit because part of what I read indicated that the sample was frozen upon arrival potentially (my impression here) to prevent degradation of the things that you hope to quantify.

Recognizing that the sample is not frozen before shipping and is therefore not "fresh" - 1) how much degradation occurs and 2) how have you quantified or measured the effects of a long strange trip through the postal services?


Clicked through with intent to buy. Abandoned on recurring charge and too many offerings.


I'd be happy to cancel it for you. The reason we have a subscription model is that most value can be derived from the metabolite trends rather than a single snapshot.

We understand it's not for everyone! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32285242


Do you think the subscription value proposition in your lower tier offers compelling value to consumers? What research have you done to make ensure your pricing tiers are market-appropriate?


Do you estimate the analyte levels and then use those to calculate your summary statistics (bio age, polyamines level, etc) or do you estimate the summary stats directly from the spec data?


We estimate summary stats directly from spec data.


Dope. I've very optimistic about the new paradigm of spectrometry + ML for metabolic biomarkers. I don't care about the level of any one analyte! I want to know the overall picture of my metabolic health inferred from 100's of weak signals.

The ML model is also very defensible, so congrats on that.

I've been told by people who would know that bio_age estimation via transdermal Spectrometry isn't going to happen this decade. Do you agree?


I would like to believe this is possible but it reeks of snake oil and scientism, much like microbiome nonsense that was in vogue a few years ago.


I would love to see this in combination with mental health. Dopamine, Serotonin and Cortisol are excellent trackers for this purpose.


The HNLAUNCH promo code is showing as invalid for me.


Thanks for catching that. Should work now.


Confirmed, thanks!


References:

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[3] Wishart DS. Current progress in computational metabolomics. Brief Bioinform. 2007 Sep;8(5):279–93. https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/8/5/279/217981

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[5] Wishart DS, Guo A, Oler E, Wang F, Anjum A, Peters H, et al. HMDB 5.0: the Human Metabolome Database for 2022. Nucleic Acids Research. 2022 Jan 7;50(D1):D622–31. https://academic.oup.com/nar/article/50/D1/D622/6431815

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" We identified 420 metabolites..." heh heh.

Love the title. "take this blood test and extend your healthy lifespan." Sure dudes! Good luck with that.


Shame not available in UK to try out


I’d love this if it came to Canada


Can I bill this to an HSA?


We're currently still working to make our tests HSA eligible and we'll have that soon.


We’re developing an at-home metabolomics test that measures hundreds of “metabolites” in blood, which studies have shown can inform about health status, disease risk, dietary patterns, and physical activity.

Just for my own clarification, when you say at-home do you mean that the kit will diagnose the patient at home, or that they will gather samples at home and mail them to you?


By at-home we mean that the person will gather samples at home and mail them to us.


Thank you for the clarification. As neonate mentioned I should have figured that out from further down the post. I get a little excited when I see these posts because I have been waiting for smaller and less expensive diagnostic devices in this field.


Have you tried this: https://thecor.com/ ?


I’m having an annual physical this month where blood samples are taken from my arm at my medical system’s lab attached to the PCP’s office. Could I have additional blood drawn during my physical and send it with the process you have? Or would I have to specially use your collection device?

(Interested in purchasing your service and sending in a sample from my physical)


Unfortunately, it has to be through our collection device. Blood usually has to be cooled on ice to be shipped. At room temperature (in the mail), you need the stabilizing sponge that our blood device has.


Clearly the latter, from the text above:

How it works: We send you a blood collection device ... and it gets express-shipped directly to the metabolomics lab.


^. What they wrote is kind if misleading. You still have to send it over.


As I watch younger people struggle with basic stuff I think getting old is not so bad and I wish people weren’t so afraid of it.

Then I get out of a chair on a bad day and make grandpa noises.

I think if someone invented medical tech to repair and prevent joint injuries, and to retain cardiac function, I would sign up for those and boycott the rest.

I don’t need to live forever. I’m pretty sure I don’t have the stamina for it. I don’t think most of the rest of us do either. I stopped reading Ann Rice before Armand, but if you ignore the other weird stuff, that’s practically the main thesis of the books. People think they have the stamina for forever. Anyone who actually does is very very special.

Blue Mars and Green Mars dip into this too, but also consider Progress instead of the supernatural. Sometimes people have to step aside for new ideas to flourish.


>I think if someone invented medical tech to repair and prevent joint injuries, and to retain cardiac function, I would sign up for those and boycott the rest.

Not to be snarky, but do you stretch and go on brisk walks regularly? If you do and your body still hurts, then yeah I agree it would be great if therapeutics could solve that. But if you don't, then I don't think therapeutics should be used in lieu of what we know works.


> I don’t need to live forever.

Nobody does. Death is part of the health and evolution of of any ecosystem. Old people, and old ideas, need to gradually make way for the next generation. This must however go along with a robust education in history, as we are prone to making the same kinds of mistakes over and over.


Maybe let's create an alternative to death in the first place, so you can decide if you would rather die or not. I bet for the latter.

"We don't need cars, all we need are more horses!"

"We don't need cure for the cancer, dying from it is all natural!"

"But curing death is different, it disturbs healthy evolution process!"

We will find a way to push our progress without having to let go of the people we love. We shouldn't have to accept death as this necessary thing we all have to go through.


Have you considered a career as a pharmaceuticals lobbyist?

"Let's fuck around and find out."

Counting on people to act responsibly is, from a civics standpoint, one thing. Creating the attractive nuisance, distributing it, and then still expecting people to act responsibility is, if someone is feeling charitable, chaotic neutral behavior at best. And if not, top-shelf mischief-making that would make Loki's mouth water.


I hope you are not trying to make your point here by saying that Pharma's R&D is all about "fucking around and finding out if this drug will kill you or save you"? Or do you?

If so, are you implying that by curing death we will ultimately enp up as a civilization ruled by immortal Hitlers?


This sounds like the pitch I got from a friend who drank the Theranos kool-aid.


Theranos contained the seed of a good idea. That it was a toxic cult run by psychopaths is unfortunate.




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