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He mentions things in that rant that I have no idea about, but I can get plenty of stuff done on Debian (as an example) - coding command line apps, creating services, deploying webapps...

I mean, it sounds like he's doing some pretty fiddly stuff - really getting in there and hacking. I don't see how that could ever be simple, and it certainly isn't anything 'end user' facing.

End users check their email online and work in spreadsheets occasionally. They don't develop server-side js frameworks. I guess the argument is that if things were simpler, then maybe they could do those things? But I don't buy it.

(I get the frustration, when you're held up for 45 minutes googling because some library is missing or a string isn't formatted just so, but that sort of thing only happens when you're literally hacking things up. Which isn't end user behavior, and I can't see how it could ever be a whole lot simpler. Maybe I'm just short sighted.




End users NOT only "check their email online and work in spreadsheets occasionally". They use complicated workflow systems, data analysis environments, resource-hungry media editing applications, and very complex yet almost undocumented scientific instruments. And the mountain of domain knowledge they have is no less than that of Unix systems programmer, so they just don't have place for the latter.


I don't think you understood the post correctly. Your comment is the same point that he is making, that end users never see any of the stuff he needs to fiddle around with while developing. Why does the developer need to learn all of that stuff when it makes no difference to the end user?

He's saying that the development side could be simplified as long as the end result (what the user sees) stays the same, since the user doesn't care how the product was developed.

The dev side is horrendously complicated, which is why he says he hates almost all software.


Here's an example: I use Snort, and wanted to set up Snorby because BASE is ancient and creaky and doesn't work well. It's written in Ruby, so it should be easy, right? Just get a package with the correct version of Ruby, then gem install until I have the prerequisites.

Nope. I gave up trying to install it months ago, but it required many external programs at versions too recent to be included in distro repositories, and which as far as I could tell were mutually incompatible. Obviously, people have gotten it to work, because it's a pretty popular front-end, but I never did.


I agree with robomc but it appears that most people is mixing up 'not buying' with 'not understanding'.

Sure nodejs would be easy to pick up if it had no dependencies and if its binaies were contained in a folder - i.e. portable - but assuming nodejs could be of any interest to the end user is a bit of an exaggeration IMHO. Therefore I don't buy it either.




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