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I'd be interested in Dahl's (or your) opinion of Alan Kay's STEPS project in this context.

"For example, essentially all of the standard personal computing graphics can be created from scratch in the Nile language in a little more than 300 lines of code. Nile itself can be made in little over 100 lines of code in the OMeta metalanguage, and optimized to run acceptably in real-time (also in OMeta) in another 700 lines. OMeta can be made in itself and optimized in about 100 lines of code."

http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf

and, btw: https://github.com/tristanls/ometa-js-node




I am also interested in what others think of this project, I don't understand why this project isn't more popular.


http://vpri.org/videos/yahiko_mem_video.html (21:40 to 24:15)

Most people won't change their mind about anything, unless everyone else already did. Therefore, (Kay concludes at 24:00), truly new ideas take at least 30 years to become popular.

STEPS is too young. At this pace, wait for at least 20 years.


In order to make some project popular, you need to show it's powerful in doing REAL work. Ruby on rails did it for ruby. Paul Graham's success and writing did help lisp.

Is there some similar proof for ometa ?


This bit isn't the most impressive. Self-compiling languages are worthless until they implement something else. And it happen that IS (OMeta + Javascript + Nile), does implement more than itself. On top of it, they implemented:

- TCP-IP in 200 lines. Current C implementation use 10Kloc (50 times more).

- Most of Cairo's functionality in 500 lines. And it's fast enough. Cairo on the other hand weighs about 40Kloc. (Again, about 50 times more code.)

And that's for functionality they couldn't scrap altogether, or merge those with similar capabilities. For instance, you don't want to send emails, or publish a web page, or print a PDF, or, goodness forbid, a Word document. You just want to handle a fucking document. Send it, publish it, whatever, this is all glorified text (you do need the glorification, though).

The bottom line is, Alan Kay and his team rule.




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