And I'm still very happy to be vaccinated. I do not at all regret my vaccination. The EV of a covid vaccine was, and is, hugely positive. I drive to work, I've run two marathons, and I've been scuba diving dozens of times. All are riskier, overall, than the vaccine.
Even if 100% of the ~12.6 in a million cases of myocarditis from the vaccine had resulted in death --- which, let's be very clear, they absolutely have not --- it would still be a risk worth taking. Your per year chances of dying from homicide in the US are 3-4 times as high.
I get your point from a pure “analytical-cognitive-satisfaction” perspective. But in my case, I’ve been vaccinated with Moderna and I’ve been struggling with my heart for the last two months: Arrhythmia, pain in my chest, excessive strong beating even being sitting down in my sofa, short breath, tiredness even for the most simple physical efforts. I ignored all the symptoms assuming that was something psychosomatic due stress or what not (I even quit caffeine just in case). Two nights ago I woke up at 5 am because my heart was beating so strong and the pain in my chest was massive. I ran to the hospital.
I am a very healthy person: no smoke, sport all my life, take care of nutrition, 0 family related heart issues, took all the precautions for not getting covid nor spread it in case of being asymptomatic , take antigen tests twice per week etc And here I am, freaking praying for the results to be ok, knowing that if not, I’m on my own with the possibility of ending up with a faulty heart that worked like a charm before having to be vaccinated due to extorsion-like strategies from the government and gaslighting and half-truths from media.
So yes, I am sick of being treated like a number.
PS: Please, don’t take this as an attack by any means.
But, if you have no comorbidity, your chance of dying from the covid is extremely low too...
You must also take this into account in your comparison
Isn’t it then a matter of 12.6 in a million with the vaccine or 126 in a million when getting the virus?
(Depending on age/sex)
This leads to a P value of approximately 0.0014, which is well below the 5% threshold.
This is a very crude calculation, but it does give an idea of what we can expect. Given the small P value, there’s a good chance that the HN community has experienced a similar event to the one described in the article.
That is a lot of NIH papers citing a lot of suspicious things!
In contrast I'm not able to find much to compare with other vaccines (this is because I don't have a nicely curated list to start from; nor are my journal-searching skills up to snuff).
COVID and any/all possible symptoms are being searched for with the largest dragnet disease surveillance system in history. Millions of people are subject to essentially "random" COVID testing per day, and if any of them become positive, that triggers a chain of events that leads to huge quantities of research effort being directed towards them.
Myocarditis cases are being investigated only when people turn up at hospital saying "my heart hurts", and even then, there is enormous pressure on medics to not ascribe these cases to vaccination. There is no systematic survey of the population being done to detect these cases.
Thus it's not really possible to say how often myocarditis is being created by COVID vaccines in the general population. All the numbers being thrown around in this thread, like the top voted post, are ridiculous because they're assuming that both sides of the ratio are being discovered in equal proportions, which clearly cannot be true.
One of my own best friends took Moderna, which has a much higher risk of triggering myocarditis than COVID according to British data, even though nobody is looking for. Sure enough a couple of months later he experienced some sort of "heart event". I'm not sure it was quite a heart attack exactly but he experienced sudden extreme fatigue in which he had to lie down, a squeezing sensation in his chest and racing heart with skipped/irregular heartbeats. Whatever it was, he didn't report it or get it looked at.
Do we know this yet for omicron?
> Despite rare cases of myocarditis, the benefit-risk assessment for COVID-19 vaccination shows a favorable balance for all age and sex groups; therefore, COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for everyone ≥12 years of age.
Despite rare cases of aircraft disasters, the benefit-risk assessment for air travel shows a favourable balance for all age and sex groups; therefore, air travel is recommended for everyone ≥12 years of age
When this comes to travel by car/road, the risk just shoots up many fold, yet nobody bats an eyelid to use cars, sometimes multiple times a day.
(Though, people who take cars where they could walk are missing a trick here; in the long run the risks of this sort of sedentary lifestyle are much more of a risk than that of car accidents.)
You might be qualified to make that assessment. But you'd be in disagreement with most of your peers.
Vaccines optimally work if we don't, and instead think as a community.
The hard part is deciding when. It is extremely easy to postulate hypotheticals if utilitarianism has no limitations.
Vaccine mandates (in general, regardless of today's SCOTUS decision) remain constitutional: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
In fact, you are perfectly within your rights to elect a state government that requires vaccination for all citizens.
If this was merely application error, ought we expect this reaction to be equally probable after the first and second dosages, this isn't what the data suggests.
This is standard procedure in many communities, I wonder why they seem to be pushing back on this. It seems like a good and harmless argument to me.
Some argued it would increase acceptance and reduce stress if aspiration wasn't used. I dislike this line of reasoning but can understand the overall decision.
> "molecular mimicry between the spike protein ... and self-antigens"
If a virus were to better mimic a self-antigen, does that imply that vaccines are unlikely to work without introducing some other harm?
Our ability to quickly engineer vaccines may have lulled us into a false sense of security. Imagine a replay of the last two years without an vaccines.