On: The Great Surrender: How We Gave Up and Let Covid ...

[cassianoleal]

In the last couple days I had 3 fully vaccinated people (including 2 already boosted) tell me they have or just had covid.

I have a friend who works for a Rugby team where they're all vaccinated. They've had 6 or 7 athletes with covid in the last week or 2.

The football team I root for has everybody in the team and the staff fully vaccinated. The pre-season has just started with 5 players off with covid.

[Mikeb85 → cassianoleal]

And odds are it'll affect them the same as a cold. That's why it's over.

[cassianoleal → Mikeb85]

Possibly. Many of these haven't had any colds or flu in years though, so definitely not the same. If more people get sick, more people take time off, have a worse time, and statistically more people will likely be hospitalised and more people will likely die.

I concede that I am just inferring at this point though.

[Bancakes → cassianoleal]

Great, that implies they were in living, conscious, talking condition.

[cassianoleal → Bancakes]

Sorry, added 2 more facts to the original post.

That implies it's not statistically inexistent like you said.

[hnuser847 → cassianoleal]

They survived, right? Isn't that the whole point?

[sneak → hnuser847]

No, long-term negative health impacts affect a significant percentage of those infected with covid, and the figure is roughly the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated. This is going to cause a huge number of people long-term negative consequences.

Long covid is a thing, and an autoimmune disease that negatively affects every organ in your body is not something that's good for anyone, even if you can answer no to "but did you DIE????"

[cassianoleal → sneak]

Indeed, and not just that but if a lot of people who normally don't take a single day off due to flu or cold suddenly start getting covid once or twice a year, that's not a small impact.

[cassianoleal → hnuser847]

Is it? I like to not get sick in the first place. Many of these people haven't had a single symptom in years.

[xboxnolifes → cassianoleal]

I'd also like to never be sick, but that's not a realistic request in reality.

[cassianoleal → xboxnolifes]

I agree but it’s very much feasible with good habits to go without a single symptom for years. I just gave you examples of people I know that have done that, and suddenly them all got COVID but you decided to gloss over that.

[thrixton → cassianoleal]

OK, so we have to weigh up your __desire__ not to get sick (at all) with what is statistically likely to be a mild illness vs the very real (to my mind, and others) downsides of extended periods in lockdown.

Just because it was feasible (which I question TBH) to go without a single symptom for years, doesn't mean that is the norm or a desired state. A cold every now and then is quite normal at least here in Australia and not something I'm overly concerned about.

"Suddenly all of them got COVID...", they must be behaving differently from people I know or be in drastically different situations as I do know people who have contracted COVID, but it's far from the norm.

[cassianoleal → thrixton]

> we have to weigh up your __desire__ not to get sick

> vs the very real (to my mind, and others) downsides of extended periods in lockdown.

We certainly don't have to, and this thread was never about that. We were discussing OP's idea that COVID is statistically inexistent for vaccinated people.