Are they? From what I read they’d heavily mess with anyone that bought a family home anywhere near a city more than 10 years ago.
You can argue that their net worth has increased, but their salary is still the same, so increasing their taxes based on the current value of their house just makes them lose the house (and forces them to buy a new house much further from city center).
Alas, that would be a terribly idea, because all of a sudden you have the government snooping into your living arrangements. Especially for grey areas where people share their time between multiple apartments. Way too complicated.
And, people living in bigger places would get effectively get a discount this way.
Your argument does highlight a problem with the transition phase of the introduction of the tax, though. There's a few ways to solve this, eg by slowly phasing the tax in over a decade or more.
(It's not a problem in the long run, because land prices will drop until the financial burden of tax plus mortgage payment is the same as today.)
"Alas, that would be a terribly idea, because all of a sudden you have the government snooping into your living arrangements. Especially for grey areas where people share their time between multiple apartments. Way too complicated."
... not really. Most folks only own one house, so nothing complicated.
A few folks own multiple houses. These folks already need to establish residency in one house for tax purposes in a lot of places: Taxes vary from city to city and state to state. It isn't a new grey area, and we can use this established system to tax. The folks can, in general, just use one house or apartment or pay more for more than one house.
Not really any more than you already have. In Indiana, they already tax folks higher for homes you don't personally live in (no discounts here). Not only that, but rental income is income: This is a business you are running, after all, and you already have to file taxes on that income (and expenses). It truly wouldn't be that difficult to register a house as a rental and giving it the discount if you think it should apply.
I'd personally only give it out to folks with longer terms: The place should still be someone's primary residence, and only give a discount if it has been rented out x months out of the year. This would be to discourage airBNB units (for example) and encourage landlords to make their units affordable and attractive to the residents of the area.
If land price rises there, then it is inefficient to use the land just for a family house, instead it make sense to build there an aparment building. So land value tax works by pricing out as supposed.
Land value taxes don't make any difference there at all.
Your scenario plays out just the same. The opportunity cost difference between any two uses is exactly the same.
There's a small difference in a detail of accounting: in one case you see a higher LVT bill, in the other case you pay more for your mortgage. (Or alternatively, if you own out right, your opportunity cost for holding onto the land increases.)
> > We need to erode all that capital concentration, and the only way to do it without hurting the regular guy is through heavy taxation.
> Land Value Taxes are pretty neat
...if you want to encourage concentration of land in the same hands in which capital is concentrated, yes. (Heavy LVT harshly punishes any land use that isn't maximally efficient at financial value extraction, which is often extremely capital intensive—encouraging upward transfer of land to those able to apply the most capital to it to optimize extraction.)
LVT doesn't punish or reward any land use. That's the whole point of the argument behind it not having any deadweight losses. LVT is the same, no matter how you use the land.
The opportunity costs between different land uses is exactly the same with LVT as without.
To illustrate more:
Without LVT, when you use a plot of land costing x dollars that you own outright, you 'pay' the opportunity costs of not being able to employ those x dollars elsewhere (or rent the land out etc).
With LVT, the price of that plot of land will adjust to y << x, so that the total of LVT on a plot of land costing y and the opportunity cost of y, will equal the opportunity cost of x amount of capital.
(This discussion ignores risk and other taxes for simplicity.)
Slightly off-topic: I'm also against capital gains taxes. We want more capital employed, so that workers become more productive, and so that the different providers of capital compete. So if anything we should encourage more deployment of capital, and capital formation rather than consumption of wealth.
(Also thanks to international mobility of capital, I suspect that a big part of the burden of capital gains taxes mostly falls on the users of capital, less on the providers. But I am not sure there.)
Well, no, its very different than having no LVT, and in a way which encourages, rather than discourages, wealth concentration; given the context in which it was suggested (specifically, in response to options for reducing wealth concentration being sought), that's a pretty salient difference.
> The government is still free to ban or tax certain uses they don't like.
A tax that makes certain uses generally economically impractical, as a heavy LVT would be, is effectively identical to a ban on those uses.
> Well, no, its very different than having no LVT, and in a way which encourages, rather than discourages, wealth concentration; given the context in which it was suggested (specifically, in response to options for reducing wealth concentration being sought), that's a pretty salient difference.
Could you please explain that?
LVT doesn't make any difference to land use. But it does make land owning expensive. So you could suggest it as a way to reduce wealth concentration. I don't see the contradiction?
> A tax that makes certain uses generally economically impractical, as a heavy LVT would be, is effectively identical to a ban on those uses.
Huh? Eg a moderate tax on petrol stations would certainly lead to fewer petrol stations, wouldn't it? Things happen at the margins.
How do we know that?
> And now the FED can't really reverse it.
By the way, Fed is not an initialism, so it doesn't really make sense to write about them in all-caps.
> We need to erode all that capital concentration, and the only way to do it without hurting the regular guy is through heavy taxation.
What do you want to tax? Land Value Taxes are pretty neat (or rather, the least bad taxation).