The most accurate results are visible at Google AdPlanner, because it's reporting actual Google Analytics data from a bug embedded on every reddit page:
Google Trends is also pretty good -- again, because they have access to actual, real search data which they're presenting raw and unvarnished:
To my eye, the hockey stick begins in Q1 2010, well before the mid-Q3 spike when Digg v4 was launched.
TLDR: Digg's implosion may have accelerated Reddit's traffic growth, but it was already doubling yearly, a trend which goes back to the site's launch in 2005.
Something interesting I have noticed, if you are looking at Hacker News' traffic data, there seems to be a steep decline somewhere around April . I wonder what whether it is correct, and whether there was a fundamental change in this site / ycombinator around that time.
Loss of value to everyone else from lack of comment scores is another question entirely...
I'm not saying that is the case, but it could be a very interesting revelation.
Heck, they didn't even bother to read the numbers reddit actually publishes.
I got tons downvotes and a confused reply saying "is there something wrong with youtube that I dont get?"
Then I realized the people commenting on Reddit were the same ones posting the comments on Youtube.
They weren't even aware of the stigma of Youtubes comments, which shows the cultural shift on Reddit from tech-savvy to mainstream.
I noticed that after digg v4 things started to downhill. in the last few months it has gotten dramatically worse.
unfunny memes get beaten to death. Rage comics, etc. Two years ago there wasn't that crap. I feel like memes are taking over, and regular comments and submissions are forced into banality when they would be better without the old, beaten-to-death meme.
there's still a lot of good stuff but there's now a sea of horrible content to sift through.
Maybe HN should do something similar.
"Are you trying to be clever, are you a dumb ass or something else? Is this some funny youtube shit that is above my understanding?"
The exaggerated lack of intelligence in my original comment was really obvious. The fact that people didn't get the joke was what was concerning.
I've been on reddit since its very beginnings, back when its being rewritten in Python was causing huge discussions or when programming.reddit was still a sub-domain. I've lived through the 2008 elections stealing the front page from geeky-related articles, or when making fun at digg was actually considered cool (back in 2009 or so). Anyway, I never thought that making fun and hurting actual innocent people would really hit the front-page, I'm ashamed of having supported this website for so long. There are still some pockets of common-sense left, starting with TrueReddit which I think is more like an animal preserve for those who can still remember how cool and exciting reddit used to be. I'll also want to add /r/history to the list of sub-reddits worth following.
Wow, thanks for that! It's like Reddit, but without all the memes, manipulators, and obvious spammers trying to pump up their karma with reposts. That's the first time in years that I've felt that I gained something in exchange for my time.
Other more niche ones are good as well.
and suddenly reddit looks much more civilized. The remaining reddits are mostly free of overt spamming and manipulation.
checkout /r/depthhub for real good stuff.
Moderating by category made slashdot comments useful. In the user profile, setting all "Funny" moderated comments to -5 eliminated all the "In Soviet Russia" jokes. Repeated comments were marked redundant etc.
Reddit has become quite popular and as a result the comments have become less interesting and more populist. While it's great for the staff to run a successful site, the newfound popularity has pushed me away, and just as they released the Gold accounts as well.
I'd pay for a gold account if it gave access to an advanced moderation system. News.yc is still small enough and the community homogeneous enough that the really stupid shit gets moderated out. People are strict enough around here that the idiots leave quickly. Not having sub-sites helps as well to push away the people primarily looking for lolcats.
(These are some of the subs that I like, they might not be your thing, but they're examples of solid communities)
And if you're looking for pictures, there are the "SFW \"Porn\"" subs:
Reddit certainly isn't dead. It's just maturing.
It is indeed a big loosely-related collection of communities, from which users choose a la carte their areas of participation.
The Reddit my wife sees when she logs in is very different from the one I see, which is very different from the one fans of meme participation (rage comics, etc) see.
Extremely disappointmented this wasn't a picture of a dump truck full of bees.
2. Because programming is still a pretty big subreddit, I believe it's part of the default set: unlogged users and users creating an account will get prog as part of their default subreddit subscriptions. This brings "unwarranted attention" to the subreddit until the uninterested user realizes he can unsubscribe from prog. Things are getting better there as other subreddits have taken over as the juggernauts and are being ruined instead (gaming has 660k members, pics, funny and reddit.com have 850k)
Another good subreddit is /r/todayilearned
It's not that they view /r/all, it's that they have not customized their front page, so they get the default set of subreddits, which I believe is simply the subreddits with the most members.
/r/movies is full of spoilers.
/r/philosophy is shallow.
If by "maturing" you mean "attracting the fat middle and the tail end of the IQ bell curve" then yea, you're right.
I'm finding fewer and fewer reasons to stay on Reddit. If I had exactly zero time to waste, I'd spend exactly zero time on Reddit.
Which is why there is /r/academicphilosophy.
It seems as if every single comment that hints to insight fulness, knowledge or that comes accompanied with a (scientific) source is ridiculed or downvoted into oblivion. And top comments increasingly are inside jokes. That is all ok, but I am not putting energy in it anymore.
Compare that to HN, where I comment very little, yet nearly every interaction sparked an email or two with people who do cool stuff.
Reddit commenters seems to take some pride that they are not as worse as their cousins at 4chan or youtube. To me they seem to be the internet white noise, and if they don't deviate into the tail, they will be fine. The usenet comparison by blhack is spot on I feel, so new communities will spring to live where others slip.
Which brings me to this. HN is a pretty nice community. What would happen if we make it a subredit, /r/hn? Its a pretty cool place with a group of growing, devoted followers. All is good. So one day, it gets promoted to the default frontpage. How long before the lol cats outnumber the hackers?
Reddit is what you make of it. Granted, it's not for everybody, but I get value out of it (and give back when I can).
As a redditor for >5 years, I'm not sure they can claim even that anymore.
That's not true at all. There are tons of low quality posts. There's just such a high turnover that you tend to forget some of the stuff that you automatically skip or filter.
Towards the end of his time with Digg Kevin Rose seemed to have little empathy for his audience, and the audience knew it when he checked out of the building and handed things over to Jay. The redesign was more about having a solid code base than rolling out new features for the users. And one got the sense that while they had Twitter envy that Reddit was doubling down on making their community (with all of their quirks) feel at home.
Digg was primarily oriented around Kevin Rose and his 'posse'. Digg started bombing when Kevin bailed.
Reddit was never about Steve or Alexis, it always seemed to be about the community itself. So, when Steve, Alexis, Jeremy, Mike, and everybody else who'd been there forever 'left', there was nothing to implode - the community was still there and still thriving.
Does Kevin Rose even USE digg anymore? I know most of the original crew still uses Reddit, but just as users, like the rest of us poor slobs.
Please forgive the long screenshot below, but it’s important to understand exactly how Reddit blasted the Digg front page at this time
This suggests that they have something deeper to reveal, but instead it's just a screenshot showing the actual posts on the front page—how much rather than how.
Also, same title could have been posted in 2010 and 2009, which also saw explosion in growth year-over-year.
Seriously, it's working, it's great to have, and I would be completely bummed if they pulled their own "Digg v4" at broke a perfectly working system.
Sure, infrastructure can get better, or maybe small improvements as you see happen on HN like with voting, points, etc, but otherwise, just let it ride.
Hey, that reminds me. I use HN every day, but I still don't have an handle on when the arrows appear and don't and when I can edit and can't.
Is there some page somewhere that actually outlines the rules, or do I have to read the code?
Way to make me feel old. :)
(with tongue firmly in cheek, etc. etc.)
Also, I have no idea why reddit defaults to "top" for comment sorting. The experience is much less gimmicky when you sort comments by "best". They're usually more relevant and less meta/jokey. (edit, I appear to have been mistaken on this, I was just sure when I created a new account a while back it had defaulted to 'top'. Oh well, something to keep in mind anyhow.)