Has anyone compare these three Notion alternatives, yet? Would love to know, which one comes closest to the features of the original.
It’s still early in development, but it distinguishes itself from the crowd by allowing you to open your locally saved markdown notes while providing a notion like WYSIWYG interface.
Anyways, I will be keeping an eye on the progress!
FWIW I'd be interested to see how much work it'd take to add linux support, since in my (albeit basic) experiments with Flutter it didn't take much effort at all. Good first issue?
- Easy setup. I was up in 5 minutes flat including reading time
- Good start templates
- Aesthetic quibble - dark theme seems off. I don't know if its a shade of grey that throws me off or what
- It does not have pretty moving animations of various boxes ( and it is a good thing! )
I will keep playing with it.
IN my understanding the licence allows me to use it and do what I could do with a normal open source licence except that I cannot build another SaaS using the code?
Am I correct to understand that this licence says that the license changes to a fully open one after 2025? What's the catch?
Edit: A quick search took me here: https://mariadb.com/bsl-faq-adopting/. I imagine this license was created by MariaDB to stay "open" while at the same time prevent another corps to offer their software as a SaaS.
Could anyone confirm this?
Several others projects such as Sentry.io or Zerotier are using this license. Be aware that this license is not considered open source but is more like "source available".
For a company with internal IT or IT capable people, that’s a small hurdle if running the software is not too hard.
For a company with all IT outsourced, this is a deal breaker.
It will likely stop the behemoths (AWS, GC, Azure) from capitalizing on that product though.
But does this prevent me from hosting it on say, an instance on Google Cloud?
What's the wording that would prevent that?
Only the code reachable from given git hash changes, not anything later.
Also their implementation of OT or CRDTs is horseshit, it failed miserably when there was ~6-7 of us updating a bulleted list at the same time.
It's also wonderfully minimal, much faster loading, and follows basic markdown as opposed to forcing you to use BBCode or Jira specific syntax.
Previously wiki like Confluence software used to force you to go to 'edit' mode to switch between the two. This also fails when multiple people are editing the same document.
You can have a phone call with someone, and see each others cursors, edit simultaneously in real time. You say this fell down, but in Confluence this would be impossible.
It's also super easy to share pages with external vendors using the GUID based URL. They can even comment inline if they register.
> The power is in the edit and view being the same view.
This doesn't seem to be a distinguishing factor from Google Docs which also doesn't have a separate view. The other advantages you listed are nice, but also don't seem unique.
This is actually a feature. Readers of a page/doc are seeing a consistent view until the next time "Publish" is pressed.
> You can have a phone call with someone, and see each others cursors, edit simultaneously in real time. You say this fell down, but in Confluence this would be impossible.
No longer true! Confluence (Cloud, at least) does this right now. If two (or more) people are in edit mode, those people get an experience much like Google Docs.
At our (now defunct) startup we used it to do all our initial CRM and ticket management. We had all our customers in one table, and a different table of ongoing tickets linked to the first. We had similar setups for other things. As things started to scale we moved out to dedicated tools but having that capability meant that the initial version was much more accessible and useful.
Notion doesn't let you embed its pages in other sites, and doesn't provide a programmatic way to display proprietary content. This means it's black boxed and limited insofar as integration with enterprise tooling is concerned.
Notion is essentialy JIRA + Confluence + OneNote wrapped up in one (not implying anything about the quality of the products just their competencies)?
[EDIT] - A possibly disturbing/pleasing thought -- is Notion Chat on the horizon?
There's also JMAP
> A possibly disturbing/pleasing thought -- is Notion Chat on the horizon
I don’t think Notion is interested in this outside of making our comments work better.
Maybe slack/mattermost/etc integrations will be good enough forever
Although, an interesting stack, this is definitely not boring technology, so the innovation tokens will be used probably with flutter web.
What I am still not understanding is how designers and programmers can make a living when "everybody" uses cheap and decentralized (Yunohost, etc.) cloud instances.
I really got on with that whilst I was briefly using it, but it being proprietary was a bit of a concern
Obsidian with the Outliner plugin is also nice - although Obsidian isn't open source, it is free and all your data is stored locally as markdown files.
It looks like desktop software built with Flutter. Their editor is based on https://github.com/singerdmx/flutter-quill which also has a web version, so maybe they’ll be able to target web in the future. For now I don’t think they support multi-user sharing or collaboration yet, and I didn’t see web features listed on their roadmap either.
(I hope I didn't just start a political / ideological debate because I mentioned ByteDance.)
But, based on the description in their Chinese page, the service is not self-hostable (???). If this is true then there is no real reason to use such service since there are many better alternatives (Notion for example).
It’s very valuable to be able to have the double workflow of a nice web interface alongside a plain text developer git workflow and leads to a very future proof knowledge base.
If you’re looking for more of a CMS there’s quite a few options out there, most notably static site generators like docusaurus or vuepress. Plug: I’ve built a small tool to generate the markdown from notion, which allows me to use notion as my CMS editor while keeping the generated site fully under my control. https://github.com/meshcloud/notion-markdown-cms
Right now there is not much reason for end-users to pay for this, and running servers is expensive if you don't have a business model...