For me it's never been a problem, it wouldn't have changed my usage pattern to have 1 week of battery.
So, the reason that I want longer battery life is not, per se, to charge once a week, but so that I can use it on a longer run, and not be afraid that the battery will give out as I get close to the finish line.
Cellular, on the other hand, can drain the watch relatively quickly. Mine lasts 2-3 hours when streaming music from the cloud and relaying to bluetooth headphones during a workout (i.e. when it can't piggy-back off the phone's cellular.)
The only low battery notification I get is at like 10%. It'd be handy (heh) at least if we could get better notification reminders that align with our schedules to know when exactly to charge the watch so there's enough power for a night of sleep.
I wouldn't like it for camping or long hiking trips (not day hikes since I'd be able to charge it at some point easily enough), the Garmin's are definitely better for that if you want something for tracking your hike and heart rate.
If you would really like that you would have clicked on display settings and realized that they’ve had the option to opt-out since the day Always-On Displays were announced.
The only upgrade that makes sense is 7 days.
2-3 day battery life means that people will forget to charge, because there is no routine. And then they run out of battery and blame Apple for shitty battery life.
45 minutes from 0 to 80% isn't that much. You won't be ending many days at 0% and don't need a 100% every day.
If life interferes, and I have to pull it off the charger after 40 minutes, the watch typically won’t make it through the following night.
Two days would be helpful. Either that, or cut the charging time down to 30 minutes, which is about the time it takes me to get ready in the morning.
This may be compounded by the fact that the watch needs its own special charging cable, my main pain point is that I always forget to pack the watch charger when I travel so my watch always dies if I'm going for a night.
The tradeoffs are that the screen is "e-paper" without touch functionality. Personally I think it's the right choice: always-on tech and having tactile controls vs a clumsy touch-screen (due to small size).
The watch itself is pretty small so there's room to increase battery life by making it bigger.
All the other stuff these things do use too much power for to get that battery life from just switching to a even a (not physically plausible) 100% efficient photovoltaic e-ink screen.
It could be a fitness tracker like the Fitbit Zip (advertised at 4-6 months), or a plain watch like the Casio F-91W (when I had those as a kid, the battery outlasted the straps), but it can’t be a smart watch.
All of this is moot anyway, it can get 8 hours of sleep tracking in 8 minutes, or fast charge in 45 minutes to 80% - these are far better metrics than if they managed to get it to last 2-3 days.
> Get up to 80 hours of battery life in GPS mode, up to 300 hours in max battery mode and up to 65 days in smartwatch mode with solar charging.
Seems like more cognitive effort to change routine just because you take a weekend trip.
I usually take my AW2 off when I wake up and put it in the charger while I do my morning stuff. Same with showering etc.
It turned out to be more battery than what I thought (18 hours?!?)
These days I use a withings scanwatch hybrid - it lasts 20 days and is more low-key than a giant screen on your hand. But still has ECG/HR/activities/sleep and notifications (so I can keep my phone muted all the time l). The only feature I'm missing is find my phone.
I had not considered this impacting the battery, due to being stranded in Singapore I haven't been working out. But now that you and someone else mentioned it I will definitely monitor battery to see how it impacts me when I can get back into a gym.
But I miss my Pebble’s ability to last the week…
The Steel HR from Withings is the perfect middle ground for me. Doesn’t look like a slab, 3 weeks charge, still some smart features.
Knock it down to 20 minutes and you can charge the watch while you shower in the morning.
The complete lack of tech specs is weird despite that though.
Usually we find out the specs when iFixit cracks one open.
Mostly just external measurements and features.
The always-on display is appealing, I've been looking forward to getting that ever since the Series 5 was released. But it won't be enough by itself to get me to put down the cash.
I was hoping for thinner, and sorta hoping to see a design update along the lines of the iPhone 12/13.
Note: I am not one of Those Who Care — I still rock my Pebble Time Steel!
That's not even to mention features like ECG that are certified EU-wide, yet only available in half of the EU countries, 4 years after launch.
These country limitations are truly mind-boggling. It's as if they put a map on a dartboard when making these decisions.
I'm looking at -no joke- 100 week lead times on an ARM cortex m4 we have in an existing product.
On one hand, I hope that cheap landfill-express electronics take a hit.
On the other hand, I’m well aware they will manage somehow and it’s the good stuff that will be hard to find/make.
For one thing I am certain, we absolutely have not seen the height of the supply shortage bullwhip. It’s going to get worse.
It's about as trustworthy as rolling a dice and multiplying the eyes
I'd definitely buy it if it were possible though... But it's not, you can only get pulse/heartbeat through that.
Quoting from the article (emphasis mine): 
> As opposed to the common methods that measure blood pressure using an inflatable cuff wrapped around the upper arm, Apple's system measures the speed of the wave of a heartbeat through a user's arteries using sensors. The Apple Watch would then show a user how their blood pressure is trending, but would not be able to provide a baseline systolic and diastolic blood pressure measurement, leading some Apple employees have to raise questions with managers over the usefulness of the feature.
The one drawback to it is that on iOS, the notifications suck. I have no control over what apps can send notifications to my watch; its all or nothing. Back when I had a Pixel on Android, I could control which apps could send notifications to my watch. I'm assuming there is some API limit to 3rd party watches in the Apple ecosystem that prevents Garmin from being able to filter out notifications.
I have experience with Apple Watch since Series 3, and what you say about notifications isn’t true (if I’ve understood it right). If you go into the Watch app on the iPhone, then into Notifications and into the specific Apple app, you see a “Mirror my iPhone” and a “Custom” option. For third party apps, you see the list below (in the Notifications screen) with a toggle for mirroring your iPhone (or not). You can control this for each app. The scheme for third party apps is not (yet) as rich as it is for Apple apps, but you don’t have to suffer through every app on the iPhone where you have setup/allowed notifications also sending notifications to the watch.
I've been using a TicWatch Pro 3 and I'm pretty happy with it, although I'm not a "smartwatch poweruser", if there's such thing.
I don't think it's a great smartwatch, but I don't know because the last thing I need in my life is a device on my wrist with push notifications.
That part Apple does get right.
In the sense that they don't bother, by those standards. AFAIK Apple's watch that does everything is virtually comparable to the "watch that looks good" in its running analytics, cycling features, swimming connectivity, etc. Put another way, the mid-tier and above running-focused Garmin devices (can't speak for the other sports) should not be considered to be in the same class as an Apple watch for running.
The bands also last way longer than any fitbit I had.
Of course, you health data is probably going straight to CCP but then you already have Android.
- display always on
- at least 5 years battery life (edit: 10 years!)
- no accidental switching of watch faces
- no PTSD from notifications
I look at that watch with joy everyday.
- Always on
- Infinite battery life
- No accidental resets
- Looks pretty on my desk
I look at my abacus with joy everyday.
I thought a phone was addictive, but at-least you could put it in your pocket / bag / car and keep a distance.
A watch is like that tightly hugging tail-wagging dog.
"Look at me, look at me, look at me !"
Features I'm missing from galaxy watch are find my phone and answering phone on the watch, but it's so much lighter I don't need to take it off (the bulky strap on my galaxy watch would bother me when resting my hands on laptop edge), and it's very low key - I can wear it in any setting. Smart watches look like toys to me TBH.
I only have notifications from a few apps allowed to come through, and out of those I also filter them with the in-app settings to only get ones I'm interested in getting pinged about.
I never get more notifications than I can handle, and especially not ones I don't want to be harassed by.
"Why don't you put your phone in flight mode?"
"Why don't you turn off the internet"
"Why don't you just turn off your PC and go to sleep"
The questions are easy. The actions are too damn hard to pull off.
Now for the "hard" part: swipe to the left on the notification, tap the "..." button, and tap "Turn Off on Apple Watch". Now you won't get notifications from that app on your watch. Should take you about 2 seconds.
Wow, I am surprised by this sentiment. In iOS notifications are an opt-in situation, I just never turn them on for anything but the smallest subset of apps (iMessage, Discord, Slack, Signal currently). For those apps I’m super aggressive about limiting noise, I’ll unsubscribe to things and tweak notification settings literally every time I get spam.
What is a feature you can’t live without?
I look at my phone less because I just glance at my wrist for new notifications and don't get hooked into a whole 15 minutes of distraction.
Using Siri is surprisingly easy and not awkward when you can just lift your wrist and speak quietly into the watch.
So if I’m sitting at your laptop and have signal/imessage up, I can lose track of my phone, but that’s kinda cheating. For little outings like the grocery store or gym, you can definitely leave the phone and just dictate what you need to. So for a WFH day with little outings, you can easily just leave your phone on the charger and ignore it all day. But for a full day out and about where you might text a bunch, you’ll drive yourself crazy trying to do it all on the watch. If the new swipe thing changes that, I’ll be very happy, but I’m not betting on it.
It works perfectly.
By using it for around 3 months I figured out patterns that lead to better sleep. Highly recommended.
Also, the watch presumably can't tell how fast the ball is served, which depends on the racquet speed and whether you make good contact with the ball.
I think I disagree here. It should be possible to build a model that infers things like racquet speed and where the ball made contact with the racquet based on accelerometer data. At the end of the day you have an arm attached to a racket moving at some speed, that impacts a ball that is relatively not moving.
A straightforward model could calculate the lost momentum in the arm + racquet, assume the ball's mass, and work backwards to the ball's velocity from there. I'm assuming there is more ML magic behind Apple's implementation though.
It would be great to see if the data that the Apple Watch generates is similar to what speed guns show. That would make a great experiment for a high schooler!
> the Series 7 can measure users' tennis serve speed or the distance of a golf drive, and "Hey Siri" prompts can tell users how far they've biked.
I honestly don't know what else can be added to it.
The creep potential is a lot bigger than its usefulness.
Link for a report on this from 2013: https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/22/5235278/samsung-awkward-...
There are a huge range of sensors they can add in future.
IMO I'd rather see this tech used to shrink the size of the watch to make it thinner, rather than expanding the size even larger. It's a supplementary device, the idea that you might use a keyboard on it is laughable. I wonder if we'll see the same size creep in the watch space that we've already seen with phones...
The Fenix is also chunky compared to the Apple Watch.
I struggle to understand how a group of smart people could put out that product with such gaping flaws and think, ‘yes, we did a good job there’.
However I agree with you about the battery life issue. I have an Apple Watch I use as a beater for specific sports. The rest of the time I use an automatic. Not having to worry about whether it is charged is a major win.
It would be worth an update at that point.
I guess, one way would be to introduce special categories of watches, such as medical ones, that drop gps and others for oxygen / ECG or new sensors.
That said, blood glucose seems like the next big win. Rumors have been that they're working on it.
What you recommend based on measurements or people acting on that information can have asterisks on asterisks, but still needs to hit a minimum threshold for usefulness.
There are bloodless sensors now and in development.
Short-term, more likely that they would build integrations with existing stand-alone sensors. For example, glucose readings from Dexcom G7.
It'll be fun to look back on this comment in three years.
Despite over a decade of smartphones, screen size and resolution is often touted as the number one or number two feature.
Screen size, quality, and ease of use for watches will still be one of the biggest factors in three years.
Perhaps same with pricking, if it doesn't correlate with how you're feeling test again, cgm can provide a guide and if in doubt prick. I still think at 99% confidence it would be game changing
As we know the watch OS already calculates the HRV and respiratory rate for us so it would be great if they added a "stress" and/or "recovery" time feature. The watch already records Heart Rate, Heart Rate Variability, Respiratory rate and Resting Heart Rate, which are commonly used in these metrics.
Understand that there are third party apps that try to do similar however I think this is an area that Apple is lacking in compared to other smart watches.
I have a watch sitting on my shelf, and digital crown no longer works. Was very upset.
YMMV I guess. But my series4 is doing great for 3y with similar levels of activity.
Just last week jumped off a 30 foot cliff and the clasp came loose, it literally flew off my wrist and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. A friend helped me retrieve it, maybe 30-40 feet down. Perfect working order as of today!
I once did get some sand in the crown and needed to wash it out thoroughly but no other hardware problems in the 3 years I've owned it.
I guess it’s good in that I don’t want to upgrade because it still looks new.
Love ”passive” features where it just works in the background with zero input and collects statistics, such as step tracking.
It was a Series 3 and eventually died. I plan on getting this new Series 7 once it's available to purchase.
As a runner, i've found the heart rate data useful for gaining insights.
Of course, Garmin's more recent watches are probably better now, too. And they have golf functionality. But as it concerns the AW, it would appear to me that it is as good as anything else these days.
This is for the series 6 Apple watch: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2020/09/apple-watch-series-6-fir...
Is this the same price as Series 6, right? Been waiting to buy one and might as well get the new.