Lets be honest to follow best practice on security/privacy is a constant schlep of tweaking options and compromising on functionality. Then to have a base tool just throw in your face that "We've added a feature and even though you've got 'send do not track' ticked this is not at all the same so we'll turn it on by default". Yeah I understand the need to vent especially if he chose IE as a minor way to get away from google tracking.
I mean, sure, we probably won't ever reach verification mountain dew, but that meme first came about in 2012 and not surprisingly we've slid closer and closer to that in the mean time. People have had years of getting sicker and sicker of the slow visible decline.
 After seeing the comments about who the author is it's more likely he defaults to Microsoft products.
The discourse around privacy and tracking isn’t particularly relevant here and it certainly isn’t front of mind for your average person.
Some like it; some don't; few believe they have a choice to be anything other than a consumer.
Pay 1 dollar less today. Pay 10 dollars more in the future on everything, the second the smaller local store goes out of business.
At this rate why even bother with the pretext or capitalism. As long as price dumping is tolerated those with the most wealth can buy a monopoly.
If you choose the largest and cheapest vendor for something you are failing yourself, your friends and family and your neighbours.
If you let Microsoft do this, you might as well get on your knees and kiss the feet of Jeff Bezos. One company should be enough for everyone.
And then we don't need this feature anymore either, because there will be no choice. We won't even need advertising anymore.
Ie Say I'm trying to buy specifically from an LGBT friendly site, oop but it's cheaper over at this other place that also sponsors several anti-LGBT politicos, so the suggestion is useless because price isn't everything, it just is most of the time.
Anyway, I just fired it up to check this feature and didn't get the experience the author implies. The shopping notices appear as right justified text in the address bar then collapse right into the little shopping tag. I have to click this tag to see the shopping information pop-up.
Viewed an Amiibo on Amazon and it told me I had the best price, but it also told me the price has increased recently. In the pop-up, that I clicked the tag to produce, I could see price history on the item over the past few months.
Pretty cool and will try this out over the next month or so of shopping I think.
I do not like the feature, but it's not as UI intrusive as the article suggests; it is however privacy invasive. Despite disabling multiple edge features related to telemetry, this is a new default-on option.
I like Edge enough that it's my default browser on Windows, Android and secondary to Firefox on Linux. However, one or two more features like this and I may use something else.
The integrated Pocket does show some "suggestions" on the default new tab page. But I don't see any ads on them, and sometimes they are pocketed articles from paid-subscription resources like e.g. The Atlantic. It it's a kind of paid content advertising ("we pay you to bring more readers to this ad-free text page"), it can't be a very lucrative service.
Disclaimer: I actively use Pocket, but I'm not a paying subscriber of it.
This is the Charles Petzold who used to write Microsoft API books, correct? Will they revoke his Microsoft MSDN membership for this?
They also killed off the magazine, the last issue is from November 2019.
I’m waxing nostalgic over the binders of CDs from the subscription over the years.
- Some exec at MS
> In 1984 I began writing for PC Magazine, which led to a full-time freelance career that included writing for Microsoft Systems Journal and MSDN magazines.
> My book Programming Windows was published in six editions between 1988 and 2012
> In 2014 I began working as a full-time employee for Xamarin (which was acquired in 2016 by Microsoft), where I wrote a book and documentation
Imagine, I'm an operator of an independent book store - and Microsoft uses their market power to actively drive away customers from my site and direct them to the competition instead.
Bonus points for the dark patterns embedded in that dialog box which make it hard to not switch to Walmart even if you actively want to stay on the page.
I could even get behind a site warning for purchases known fraud sites (In jurisdictions where such blacklists are easy to come by from relevant authorities).
But driving me from an independent store to WalMart to save $2? Imagine Wal Mart sending out one employee to walk around each independent bookstore, whispering "you can get that 10% cheaper at Wal Mart". I think people might take offense.Here microsoft offers exactly that service to Wal Mart.
I suspect Microsoft isn't indexing prices of smaller retailers as well, so that would also drive more business to Walmart.
Browsers are probably one of the worst offenders. Edge is not far from Chrome, and although Firefox is probably the sanest, it also has a disturbingly small marketshare and seems to be going down the same path.
When I use "modern" software, I don't feel like a user; I feel like I'm being used.
And frame every opt-out choice as "YES I LOVE THIS AND WANT IT TURNED ON FOREVER AND EVER AND NEVER SHOW ME THIS PROMPT EVER AGAIN" versus "sigh fine I guess I don't want it FOR NOW but please make certain to ask me about it nine more times a day for the rest of infinity."
Even the "good" apps like Signal do this.
"Sync your contacts?"
"OK we'll ask again later."
I'm sorry, but that sounds hilarious.
Although, they should add that feature on GitHub. (No I'm not serious, Mr/Ms. GitHub PM!)
I dont even know what weather its picking up or how to change it
Its very frustrating
When I saw it was Petzold, I was just flat out shocked. This is the guy when it comes to developing for Windows. He is deep in the Microsoft ecosystem. For him to come out this strongly against a product means it's probably worse than even that.
What a joke of a company...
I loathe MS Edge. In spite of explicitly setting my default file associations to my preferred applications, every other day Windows insists on resetting PDF, JPG etc. to Edge. Va te faire foutre.
And getting griped at by Windows for doing it, too.
"Oh won't you pleeeeeeease consider using the Strongest, Securest, Bestest, Most Wonderfulest Browser Out There, the amazing Microsoft Edge instead of whatever piece of shit blob of code you downloaded from the very untrustworthy dark Interweb?!?"
No, Windows browser team, I want to use Firefox and just like Google pushing their browser on their platform I resent you pushing yours.
>Strongest, Securest, Bestest,
Strongest because it's Chromium
"Securest" once they disable JIT
"breaks the entire web" is really an exaggeration from the Google-propaganda-pushers. You don't all the extra crap like JS when you're just looking at static pages. A lot of sites are fine without. This site doesn't need JS either.
My work computer resets my preferences after each reboot (which I only do when system updates come down). Otherwise, it sticks. Personal computer keeps my defaults.
I was under the impression that Windows somehow challenges apps by performing some type of test, and resets the file associations "for the user's safety" if the apps don't respond appropriately.
Contrast that to Microsofts constant badgering, reset preferences after every update (conveniently), etc etc.
Really though? Haven't the OP paid any attention to the constant stream of annoyances since the Win 10 release? The handling of updates, the toggling user settings with updates, the advertisements on the lock screen, start menu, explorer toolbar etc, the annoyance of setting another default browser, the waking up during sleep to update, the system-wide mishmash of UX? This Edge thing is THE Microsoft way of doing things: you're a measly user, and you need to be told what to do and how, because the ones to know better are them and them only, you are only to make suggestions about what you'd like.
And can’t you just turn this off?
Whether that is practical or not depends on just how large the database is. But even if the database were to be too large, it'd still allow us to reduce the question to one of how to download the database incrementally to the device without leaking information, which is a solved problem. (E.g.the Safe Browsing algorithm.)
For the non-trivial part, the approach would be hell to scale to any significant number of e-commerce sites. You can't have the client connect to tens of thousands of sites on a page load. And how do you reliably find the matching product pages on the other sites? It's easy if you can crawl the sites, but extremely hard if you tried to do it with point lookups.
As for the privacy, who operates the proxy? Why is giving them both your IP address and a stream of all commercially interesting web pages you visit not a tracking concern?
I use the feature, beats the hell out of installing Honey and going to bing/google shopping which is just paid adverts vs catalogs they used to do...
Insult is too strong a word. Like many here, I think something like this should be opt-in. But I also think the same about "smart recommendations" that try to auto-complete a word I'm typing or add something to my calendar based on recent emails.
I dislike them all and want them all to be opt-in. I think it's predatory by design -- but why anyone would be "insulted" is beyond me.
Opening documents in some weird "reading mode", popping up that I can pick up where I left off every time I open a PowerPoint, adding captions to my photos I add to documents (and sending my confidential data to their servers so their ML can tell me that a chart I added is a picture of a chart), "looks like you're trying to write a resume", I'll denote my three points (a), (b), and ©, how would you rate our product, etc etc.
Some people may want this stuff, I want my computer to leave me alone and let me work. MS has a pattern of disrespect to the user that overall I agree is insulting.
It wouldn't surprise me if Windows asks about product suggestions or shopping enhancements(or something along those lines) at some point and that drives this functionality.
EDIT: I don't usually use Edge so I just tried this and I received the lower price notice but not as the author describes. I got a little notice on the right side of the address bar that collapsed about 3 seconds later into the tag icon. I had to click on that icon to get the popup with the shopping details.
The first thing Edge does it plead its users the give it a chance, we know IE wasn't the browser of choice in the past but things are different now, and we at Microsoft are genuinely trying to make things better.
The second thing Edge does is put a massive banner in your face, demanding you hand over everything. All your data, right now, and until you accept this ransom (or go through and uncheck all the boxes), your not going anywhere.
Even chrome is more subtle about it. Its just the audacity of asking for trust and then immediately violating that trust, as if they can't possibly wait another moment without taking everything they can from you.
I use edge for work stuff
I keep chrome use for gmail and personal projects only. Very limited use cases
Ff for general browsing, on full privacy mode and js blocked. This breaks most work sites so i cant use ff for work.
Opera for slack and some saas access.
Also using vivaldi and brave for things like proton, banking websites, linkedin. Everything is contained.
Was surprised to see how bad the UX was when trying Edge on the Mac. They claim to be super privacy-focused, yet anyways I need to accept a cookie banner with many data partners to get access to the settings button.
Sent them bunch of feedback.
2. Microsoft is targeting the mass consumers who are price driven.
3. It is creepy they are monitoring your traffic and making suggestions.
4. Edge is standing on the shoulders of the chrome giants.
5. Screw Edge.
To be even more specific - a browser that I can buy and get a guarantee that they will not turn me into a product later, when they're offered lots of money to do so.
Windows update? That's gonna cost you an hour. Update got botched? 2 hours, and all of your browser settings. Registry corrupted?!? 3 hours for backup and reinstall! Can't figure out how to change a setting, because the option used to be there, then disappeared in the last update? 1 hour searching SO, 1 hour crying.
However it’s your choice in this day and age to use windows.
I'm sure it's pulling them from the normal sources for such things. It all makes me feel uneasy about using Edge, but I've got to imagine if my less technically inclined family members saw this, they'd welcome the feature as a way to save a few bucks.
> Website blocked due to a Trojan
> Your Malwarebytes Premium blocked this website because it may contain a Trojan.
> We strongly recommend you do not continue.
I'm not sure why, though apparently a similar block was supposed to be removed in October 2019: https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/252675-site-blocked-ww...
Yeah, but not for the other people that are more "simple" if I can say it correctly, you are not the target demographic.
Couldn't get it to trigger for any Petzold books, which just makes me wonder what items it has in its database.
As companies do, the dialog should have a button to select preferred defaults (sadly, most users will just click that) and a list of options like the cookie dialogs for advanced users with everything disabled.
Still, there are better alternatives out there like Vivaldi, ungoogled-chromium, Brave, etc.
Even Firefox is pushing stuff like pocket by default and that's an open source non profit browser from the old times!
"Computing with Windows 11. Would you like to consider this book "1984"".