One of the unfortunate side effects of the way that newspapers report on scientific research is that journalists' lack of knowledge of the subject matter leads to lots of vague statements that can be easily twisted around to have just about any desired meaning.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"
The other like this:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (and women!) are absolutely inseparably as good as each other at sports, that they are endowed by their Creator with a complete knowledge of the rules of basketball"
The latter would be an absurd thing to say, but would be easy to judge empirically. The former is a statement of a certain set of values - widely held, I'd hope, but nevertheless impossible to justify experimentally, beyond the fact that (again, I'd hope) most people have experienced in their lifetimes that it's nice when we all get along with one another.
Either way, they use the concept of 'equality' quite differently. I felt Dove actually captured this very succinctly, which is why I'm surprised it's been misconstrued twice now.
Other places were able to get their own civilization thanks to one reason or the other, e.g. Eastern China.
All that has to do with achievements of different societies. Now at the individual level, how do we know whether groups with Caucasian genes would have been able to develop a civilization if they had lived in a place with the same geography and conditions as Sub-Saharan Africans? We can't know.
What we know though is that the conditions are there now for individuals with predominantly Sub-Saharan ancestry to show what they are capable of. Eventually they'll produce someone like Mozart, Newton, Confucius, Sun Tzu, Jabir ibn Hayyan or Abbas ibn Firnas. Or maybe they won't. Perhaps too early to tell.
>You have to keep in mind though that Timbuktu for example didn't spring out of nothing but thanks to Muslims from the North.
This would be like calling Sicilly an Arabic city. Timbuktu grew as a center of trade within Black Africa as a result of trade with the northern Arabic and Arabized Berber states. This does not make it any less valid as an example.
PS: May not look like it, but I largely agree with you.
Not necessarily. The first big European civilization was the [Cucuteni-Trypillian culture](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture) which developed north-west of the Black Sea and was quite ahead of what was developing in the Middle East or elsewhere at the time (they had better pottery, barter tokens, biggest settlements in the World - up to 15000 people-, and were possibly the authors of the first writing system, 1000 years before the Summerians).
Now compare that with anything build by the Great Zimbabwe, Old Ghana or Timbuktu. Don't worry, that fortified church is just one of many.
Thanks for the Sicillian clarification BTW. I'll be sure to go there next time I'm in Greece. Oh, wait...
Africa is just too big and diverse too be lumped into one category. However I did get a good chuckle out of the jpeg.
I do have to agree with the some of the sentiments here. There are examples of Africans who also have the Neanderthal presence in their DNA, again, east-africans. Probably explains why they're so different to other Africans.
Though I still don't know whether they're considered sub-saharan africans or not. They are genetically very distinct from surrounding Africans.
PS: "Sub Saharan" is rather long. We really don't mind "Black" Africa.
Pictures results after googling around a bit:
In my opinion, this just shows that humanity is a gradient. Overlapping. It's rather fascinating.
Cushites - are "Black" in a political sense, maybe less so in a cultural sense as I've been made to understand that Ethiopians generally don't see themselves as lowercase "b" black.
About the gradient thing, black people have a huge spectrum of different skin colors, even within the same family. My Mum for instance, is light skinned. My sister and I are quite dark. The funny thing is we started out really light skinned as children, perhaps till we each turned three. I've heard some kids start out blonde and end up with dark hair? I find it all quite interesting.
But he said that you are correct, if you go in the north of Somalia, where currently, Somaliland is. You will find that many Isaacs ( clan name) think they are descendants of the arab tribe of Mohammed. My friend tells me these people are just confused. And I think we can agree that DNA analyses seem to suggest he's correct.hehe.
DNA and linguistic research seems to suggest the Earlier Egyptian,Somali, Amhara and Eritrean populations to be close relatives. With the Somalis having the least influence of surrounding nations ( Arabs, west-africans etc.)
Funny how the ones that don't think they're purely Africans, are the ones that in fact, are!
I hesitate to say this since I had been planning on staying away from this conversation, but northeast africa is not part of sub-Saharan Africa which this article seems to be concerning (at least according to the Discover writeup, which I only skimmed).
IIRC correctly, Neanderthals had smaller brains.
Neanderthal cranial capacity is thought to have been as
large as that of a Homo sapiens, perhaps larger,
indicating their brain size may have been comparable, as
well. In 2008, a group of scientists created a study using
three-dimensional computer-assisted reconstructions of
Neanderthal infants based on fossils found in Russia and
Syria, showing that they had brains as large as modern
humans' at birth and larger than modern humans' as
adults. On average, the height of Neanderthals was
comparable to contemporaneous Homo sapiens. Neanderthal
males stood about 165–168 cm (65–66 in), and were heavily
built with robust bone structure. They were much stronger
than Homo sapiens, having particularly strong arms and
hands. Females stood about 152–156 cm (60–61 in)
OTOH, in regard to the parent post, reason never stopped a racist before. It's doubtful it will now.