It is true that per engineer, successful SV firms do make a lot of money. But it is _really_ hard for me to imagine this class of people as "ignored and underpaid." FB, Google, etc are publicly traded companies, not co-ops and, as such, are under no obligation to pay any more than they do. Don't like it the terms? Don't sign the contract. They make it sound like they make you sign a contract with a gun at your head.
> A Facebook software engineer’s average starting salary is about $150,000 a year...But outside of San Francisco, it’s probably equivalent to around $50,000 a year.
This is just stupid. A _starting_ salary of 150k? Even if the equivalence they draw to 50k/yr elsewhere is correct this is a pretty good place to start. I made 95k starting out in SV and had plenty of money to burn.
This article is not rigorous and just bad.
Not having citizenship or permanent residence is like The Sword of Damocles hanging over your head; you know that everything you've worked so hard for can be taken away instantly. So, I understand the pressure and hardship that a lot of these engineers face.
Furthermore, you can bet your house that these engineers are hired because they deserve to be there, not because they are filling some quota.
How so? You can invest & buy property with an H1B, none of it is lost.
US incomes are higher than in Europe allowing SWE to save more - if you need to leave you can sell and take that money back home or to Europe
This is why the term URM (under-represented minority) is used so often within tech. Rather than address the over-representation they adjusted the goal posts with this term.
I was a student in computer science degree. During parties, or when meeting new people, there is always this phase where people introduce themselves and ask what that do/study. I had multiple occasions to tell European women the truth: that I'm studied CS. The response generally ranged from meh to disgust. That include mockery and conversation that turned very short.
At some point I was also studying something else. I then started to introduce myself as a student of that major instead. The results were almost magically: not only there wasn't any negative reaction, but it was something picking interested and fueling the conversation further.
Now I precised European earlier in the post because I also experimented in Japan were Asian women response ranged from ok to some interested in learning how to code.
That being said, a minority for which rising statistics is almost impossible is way good for all the people living by preaching "diversity": they sure won't run out of work.
I had the same experience in the UK...this was back in 2000 though. I do think things would be different these days, as people generally have a better understanding of CS.
In my year, there were only 2 women studying CS. They both went on to do non computer-related jobs (not my fault I swear!).
More Asians in STEM = less diversity. Asians are massively overrepresented in these fields
The US is 61% white. I've lost count of the number of articles that casually call companies where whites are under-represented as "disproportionately white".
The country is 95% white, 2% Asian and 1.5% black.
Public discussion of discrimination then tends to be focused on travellers (a white ethnic group) and eastern Europeans (also white) but it doesn't fit into American trends as much so internally its rarely discussed
I tried to find out what numbers Google were using, but I can't find your quote on the page you link to? Edit: ah it's from the article.
You must be mistaken. It's well known that the USA was conceived as a "melting pot nation", a nation of immigrants, and those agitating for the opposite are rightly rebuked as un-American. Diversity is our strength, e pluribus unum, etc.
That is simply not compatible with ever having had white-only immigration laws, let alone so recently that it would still affect the age-structure.
We have a long and illustrious history of discriminating against different races, when it comes to immigration. Just to list a few examples:
"The law limited naturalization to "free white person(s) ... of good character", thus excluding Native Americans, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians, although free blacks were allowed citizenship at the state level in a number of states." (note that Dred Scott v Sanford later explicitly declared that black people couldn't receive citizenship.)
(followup to the Page Act of 1875, which banned Chinese women so Chinese male laborers who came over to build the railroads wouldn't reproduce.)
"The Immigration Act of 1924 ... prevented immigration from Asia, set quotas on the number of immigrants from the Eastern Hemisphere, and provided funding and an enforcement mechanism to carry out the longstanding ban on other immigrants."
Only in 1952 with the McCarran-Walter Act was this exclusion on Asian immigrants lifted, and the National Origins Formula (attempting to keep the racial composition status quo) was in place until 1965.
I am only highlighting that the oft-repeated claim that America was conceived as a nation of non-discriminatory immigration is a lie. It only moved in that direction with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
But I sense you're having fun being so vaguely edgy and contrarian so I don't want to further encourage it.
The author seemed to have trouble finding this info:
> In our 2019 Diversity Annual Report, we began counting multiracial people as a member of all the racial categories they identify with. This system used in the report is called the “plus system” (indicated by the + sign) because multiracial people are “plussed in” to each racial category they identify with. To see this data using U.S. government reporting categories, view our EEO-1.
It’s not. A 1 bedroom in say Austin is $1,500 these days. In SF it may be $3,500. That’s 24k a year. Other costs are comparable. Taxes are another 10%. Added together it may be 100k vs. 150k. These engineers aren’t living like they earn 50k a year in SF.
Articles from years ago say that FB’s average salary is in the 120-130K range, total comp around 150K, but that’s for all employees, not just engineers, who are the highest paid. E3’s (new college grads) make more than $150K.
FB had 60K employees end of 2020, you think only 1.6% of them are engineers? Did they source this from a Quora answer from years ago that’s the top google result for “Facebook number engineers” where someone just pulls a big number out of their ass?
It claims that Facebook only has 1000 software engineers, which is comically low. Back in 2013, FB had 4000 employees (not counting contractors) and I can guarentee you that more than 1000 each were in software engineering and sales.
Also, people who think that large advertising-driven companies could survive without sales people are fooling themselves.
I think that in general, there are some interesting points here around the representation of diversity but I find it hard to take those seriously when I can catch the author in really simple factual errors.
I listen to their podcast and they have some excellent interviews by the way.