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Fizzygum (fizzygum.org)
123 points by smusamashah 15 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 40 comments



Like many web frameworks and libraries, the front page did not make it clear to me what the heck a Fizzgum is or why I should care. The tag line, "The power of an entire Operating System at your fingertips," told me basically nothing.

On the other hand, the "Is Fizzygum for me" page in the docs was wonderful! Good job to whoever wrote it. While not really discussing what Fizzygum is, it nonetheless gave a series of really good examples and guidelines as to whether I should bother investigating further for my use case. So many tools and libraries promise to be all things to all people and shy away from pointing out what they're NOT good for, and so I really appreciate that page. Good job.



> the front page did not make it clear to me what the heck a Fizzgum is or why I should care

This is a very depressing trend of late.


I doubt this is a new trend and it doesn't seem very surprising. Being able to communicate "the point" of what you're doing to someone who doesn't know anything about it is a skill that is hard to acquire and hard to maintain for anyone.

It's important for all of us to stress its importance though. Anyone who wants to create something new probably have to constantly polish that skill.

For Fizzygum I did find a good intro video one click from the front page though: http://fizzygum.org/docs/intro/


Its not a new trend. A friend went to go work at this company, so I looked up what they do.. Its better than it used to be but still not really clear:

https://www.pega.com


Crushes business complexity! Eh


> > the front page did not make it clear to me what the heck a Fizzgum is or why I should care

> This is a very depressing trend of late.

Yes, it's a maddening trend.

I have to evaluate many smaller company offerings and it has become crazy how most websites fail to communicate anything at all about what the product actually does.

Give me architectural diagrams and call sequences, high level API descriptions, etc. I want a page that will tell me what it actually does and what I, prospective user, need to very specifically do to use it or integrate with it. But no, none of that info is available 90+% of the time.

I blame it on how the website has transitioned from engineering to marketing. Way back, we'd get a website packed with information about what the product does and how to use it. Sure, it was ugly but whatever. I could spent 20 minutes reading and get a thorough understanding of how the product works.

Today websites are very pretty, smooth logos and lots of scrolling. But no info. Drives me crazy.


Thank you for stating more clearly an opinion I made on another submission [ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27433877#27434884 ]

"What is X and why should I care?" is great advice to any submitter. In my startup days we used to say "everyone is in sales".


I think it can be summarized as a tool to create interactive documents.

But I'm not sure (only played with it a few minutes).


I went to the site, felt puzzled, watched the video, decided it was probably satire, then went to the comments here, and now I'm not sure what to believe anymore.

It seems to be a fast way to create Celery Man[1]-type GUIs. You can put gifs, mspaint clones and clocks into windows and move them around. Thats... neat, I guess. Does anyone have some more context of why this exists? Real-world use cases? Is it actually in use somewhere, or is it a tech demo? Or is it satire after all, and they just managed to balance it exactly at the point where I couldn't tell?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHWBEK8w_YY


I love the term celery man-type GUI and do like that I have an easy way to make my own cinco identity generator now.

I've only watched the demo video, but a large portion of my last job was a) tuning devices with serial data streaming to a custom made live plotter b) analyzing tests in jupyter notebooks c) sharing that data. An easy to use, standardized live plotter and a way to share charts and analysis beyond emailing html/pdf versions of the notebooks or copy/pasting the graphs into a powerpoint both would have been very useful. It seems like this might fill one or both of those needs?


Grafana?


This seems to be a project that was derived from or a fork of Morphic.js, which in turn was inspired by the Smalltalk-based Squeak: https://squeak.org/


Oh, now that sounds nifty. When I went to the page I didn't understand what it was for. A squeak derivative in JavaScript could be fun.


Not to be rude, I'm sure this is an amazing project by brilliant people, but for some reason something about this branding and marketing really struck me as almost satirical on a subconscious level. Unfortunately I can't give an exact reason why. Maybe it made me think of Fizzbuzz, plus the animated plots seem a bit over the top?

Anyhow you did a solid job explaining exactly what this really is in the landing page, so kudos to that


Yeah I think it's the retro desktop UI that reminds of various kind of pointless "pretend OS in JS" demos

Which is a shame because from the docs it seems intended as a useful tool


I clicked on the link hoping it was a new type of bubble gum.


Looks like it's inspired by squeak. All that is old is new again...


This is what I've been waiting for in the UI space for many decades. Kudos to these guys for actually making it happen!


Same here. Kinda ironic that we had similar technology with let's say Delphi back in 1997, or similar"terrible" Oracle Forms thing and yet - no simple RAPID GUI tool for plain websites...


Not a web developer by trade, so I just kind of assumed someone out there had a forms builder equivalent to what VB, Delphi, or FoxPro (my old product) had 25 years ago. Throw some controls on a page, tie it to a data source, sorted. No?


Only solution that I'm aware of is only "Oracle APEX". For some reason this is hard problem.

If you’re in Pythonland, Streamlit is an okay-ish way of quickly building interactive demos. Like in a couple of hours in lieu of a PPT.


What other functionality would make Streamlit a better experience for you?


"Floobledink" is equally informative as to what "Fizzygum" is or does.

Please, HN, give a description of what your Github-for-llamas project is instead of just a nonsensical word.


But names are names, not descriptions. Names can describe stuff, but usually shouldn't. "ParallelDashboard" is a terrible name.

Then the submitter (or probably the maintainer) should include a description of what this thing is. "FizzyGum: No-Code Data Visualizations" would be great!

I was expecting a breakthrough in chewing gum technology that made it offgas as you chew it and fizzle in your mouth.

I am slightly disappointed.


That's how you bump into the ceiling and make the chocolatier with shady labor practices upset.


It seems like GEOS from C64. I like it!


My immediate thought was "This looks like GEM" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEM_(desktop_environment)]

But your example works too - loved GEOS back in the day ;)


I have more than once pondered what the world would look like if GEOS had become the dominant GUI in the 90s instead of Windows.


So, there's a doc on building Dashboards, where I seem to be able to put a map of the USA or a randomly generated scatterplot into a dashboard... But how to I actually get useful data into the system from some external source?


Reminds me of smalltalk. Interesting to see something like that make its way to the web.

There was pharojs and amber, but they were lackluster.


Based on the name, I was expecting FizzBuzz v2.0, but what I found was squeak.org


Looks dead. No release for +3 years


it's alive, last commit 18 days ago https://github.com/davidedc/Fizzygum/commits/master


Why is it built in coffee :O ?


It started in 2012. A lot of the finer points of CoffeeScript are in ES6, so that might make less sense now.


Not a good first impression if the homepage of a web framework does not have https in 2021




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