In this case though it seems about right - I'm a total Google fanboy but as an Apps user I'm just not allowed to use their biggest new product!
With a decent IMAP or exchange client, you can easily browse multiple mailboxes. In fact, multiple emails is probably the best reason to use a non-browser app for email.
I'm sure there are a lot of good programs I'm missing, but (from a Debian-user's perspective) nothing is worth that sort of hassle.
The mobile market still seems bent on packaging users as the commodity. First holding them ransom to carriers (remember when people had to pay for new ringtones?!) and now to app-store dealers. Nobody makes the phone they really want to use, they make the phone they can best monetize.
EDIT: HN usability fail navigation Tip #97: The email field in your profile is invisible to others. Put your email in the About field so that others can see it.
EDIT: My email is popa.bogdanp [at] gmail [dot] com
Hopefully I'm not too late :) Thanks !
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Does this work for you?
* I'm sick of the hype already and I can't be bothered to try it.
ADDED IN EDIT: Oh, goody. Down-votes. I'd be really interested to hear from someone who thinks this isn't a valid reaction to the whole thing.
Let me just say - I really don't care about Google+. I'll wait and see what happens, I'll wait to see who uses it, I'll wait to see what people say, and I'll wait to see if it looks useful.
I'm not going to go "OOOO! SHINY THING!!" and immediately jump all over it.
Allowing that as an option in the "poll" seems reasonable. Certinaly none of the options presented represent my point of view.
Of course, maybe you think my point of view isn't worth bothering about, and that everybody should be interested in the latest shiny thing from Google. That's called selection bias.
Ironically, I'm sure you don't go into every single topic on HN and comment when you don't care about the subject, yet you complain about the hype that made you bother to write a comment about it.
If you want to know what people think, ask broad questions and listen to the answers. Asking questions like this where you specifically exclude some points of view means you'll get "data" that statistically worthless.
Well, even more worthless than the usual polls on HN.
I'm sure lots of people on HN are all very excited about Google+. Fine, I'm happy for them. Really. It's just that they're currently like puppies, pissing about all over the place. I'm doing my best to ignore it all, but it's not easy.
But I'll do what some people clearly want and go away now.
"I'm sick of the hype already and I can't be bothered to try it."
That actually excludes more options than it adds. It is an explanation with unnecessary complexity. Applying Occam's razor would turn the option into "I have not tried it," which is indeed a missing poll option.
There is an overwhelming anti-Facebook sentiment on HN. Disproportionate in almost every sense, actually. It's just the way it is.
I have the same rule with social networks. I'll sign up right at the beginning, but I won't participate until I see a good chunk of my friends are on it. I don't want to invest the time if it is going to flop.
Great example, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, a 2005 comedy show written by Aaron Sorkin. It's ratings weren't great and it was canned, but I think it's amazing, and I rewatch that one season at least once a year.
Either way, while I agree with you on not liking the ending (and would have loved it to become as popular and long-running as The West Wing), still extremely glad that it became one of my "re-watch whenever I have nothing else to watch" shows, and still love it each and every time I see it.
Thats why I dont watch series that promise a distant final revelation after 4234 seasons like Lost.
TV shows, at least in the way they are currently produced, are only valuable if at least some subset of the masses likes them.
Just like social networks. they are only valuable if at least some subset of the masses likes them enough.
And you can't relive that new social network experience on DVD.
I like it, prefer it to FaceBook, but won't switch until all my friends do.
I think the make or break of G+ is in mass migration of circles of friends (pun intended). Facebook takes enough time out of my life as it is. Managing 2 separate sets of 'social networks' seems a bit over the top to me.
Hopefully, Google will open it up soon. And not ruin it with games and other annoying applications.
Take a look around, how many people still have yahoo, aol, and MSN email addresses? Yahoo still is a very popular destination for people (groups, etc).
The concept of social networking was still being defined. facebook is social networking in most people's minds. The concept has been solidified. Google's recent offering does nothing to reinvent the concept.
Also, social networking was still something mostly young people were into. The network-effects now are much greater in magnitude than they were then.
The biggest factor was that myspace was perceived as a "ghetto" (I had multiple people describe it to me as such). People didn't join facebook because it was more compelling, they left myspace because it had degenerated to a ghetto and facebook was the most viable option.
The social networking battle is facebook's to lose, not google's to win.
At the moment, Facebook still has the edge because it has all my friends on it. I also am less than 24 hours with +, so I haven't gotten to fully explore. But when more people join and I figure out all its quirks, I believe I will prefer it to Facebook (as I haven't particularly liked Facebook for quite some time now).
Which is pretty much the opposite of what you did. So presumably you're asking for such an option for "a friend." ;)
I, for one, sometimes choose to share information even about topics in which I have no interest. Why? Because I think information is of value, and I will provide it to a community in which I have an interest. It's the community I care about, not the topic.
Should I write a post complaining about how I want an option on the poll to express that I do not care that you do not care? How deep does this rabbit hole go before we all have better things to do?
Hint: depth 0.
And in case you're unsure, that is not sarcasm. I genuinely do appreciate the time you spent ensuring that I understood your opinion. I think you're wrong, and I think you've misunderstood my points and my purpose. It is of value to me to see how you've misunderstood.
But I have better things to do than try to fix that misunderstanding.
I think it will probably take off, just based on the fact that I'm actually still using it (unlike Buzz or Wave).
That being said, Google+ has some neat features, so I may use it occasionally-- but just taking a look at Facebook's history: they're probably going to copy many of Google+'s features.
Remember when Facebook didn't have deals and didn't even have status updates?
This is primarily why I don't use facebook today. It's not easy to get that stuff out. I don't have API access to G+ yet, but my hope is that I can move data in and out pretty freely. That will make me quite comfortable to use the service.
Twitter: 2 @replies
Facebook: 8+ likes, 3 comments
Google Plus: Nothing
I have ~80 people who have put me in some sort of circle (versus 200 or so facebook friends).
So how do I feel about Google Plus's efficacy as a place to share stuff? Jury is still out, but it doesn't seem too promising.
This is why Slashdot has multiple reasons for +1/-1 mods. More flexibility.
Congrats might be appropriate, but should that count as a +1 making your update more visible? It's hard to say. Perhaps it should differ by user - being a +1 to users who tend to congratulate others.
But anyways, your experience might lead me to try G+ where I haven't tried their competitors.
But I think the real issue is they want to tease out problems early, with people who are likely to be a bit more forgiving. I've been using G+ for almost a week now, and I've heard of a few bugs that were easy to fix with a small userbase, but could have caused trouble -- and a lot of negative opinions/press -- if it had been open to a wider audience.
So yes, it's a little frustrating that I'm missing chunks of my real-life friend circles, but I totally understand why they're rolling out the service as they are.
You may use Facebook like that, but lots of people don't. The majority of Facebook users have 300...400...800 friends. Very very very few people are actually friends with 500 people in real life. I trimmed my friend list down from 380 to 40 a couple months ago and it's already crept back up to 60ish.
I think part of the genius of G+ is that it isn't a two way mutually agreed on relationship. You get to decide what you share with who. Facebook you're either friends, or your not. Everything generally gets shared with everyone of your 800 friends. Thats not the case on G+.