because they charge at home! this article is quite silly.
if you cant level 2 charge at home then yes... having an EV may be quite inconvenient. but all this "i can fill my SUV in three minutes" stuff is... dumb. know what's even more convenient? never stopping at a stupid gas station ever again. i wait 0 minutes for my car to charge because i plug it in when i get home and then go inside and forget all about it.
I'm sure on street charging will come, but what happens if a few neighbors have an electric car? You need to book them somehow I guess which is still inconvenient. (Or have more on street chargers around which I don't think will be available to most of the people any time soon)
Current battery technology isn't great for highway charging either. How many EVs on the road it takes to fill up all the charging stations on your path during holiday season? If you own an EV now, you should be happy that most of the road users aren't EV. Otherwise you have to stay in the queue.
People keep thinking of chargers as complex things that are hard to install and expensive/inconvenient like installing gas pumps. Level 1 "chargers" are regular electric outlets like America has used since the early-ish 1900s. Level 2 "chargers" are "dryer" plugs that America has used almost nearly as long. Sure, we probably want to add electric meters to figure out how much to charge people for the service and the safety culture of automotive engineering has gifted us with some fancier plastic "adapters" for the plugs (because they might be plugged in outside for hours at a time and indoor home plugs weren't entirely built to be safe doing that), but at the end of the day the problem is "we want more plugs on the streets" and the answer is "we have the technology already, this isn't rocket science nor is it permitting and installing the chemically hazardous tanks of gas pumps".
Because we can privatize that charging infrastructure and charge for it and companies can profit from it. Between utility companies, existing parking meter companies (in this city the meters are backed by a public-private partnership and are already "for profit", and this isn't the only city like that), and the many charging network startups there are plenty of for-profit players interested in making a buck or three off charging fees for parking spaces. That's exactly the sort of infrastructure problem that capitalism is more than happy to "solve": a new source for "rent" from people who have few or no other choices. "People are already parking in these spots for hours every day, imagine if we could charge them five, ten, hundred times the raw electric utility costs to also charge their car here." That's going to happen.
Charge at work then where you park your car. Otherwise why do you need an electric car?
Similarly you wouldn't have a diesel car if your service station didn't have diesel.
There’s a lot of ignorance out there!
Other things are changing too. Employers are realizing that providing charging is table stakes. More chargers are being built out.
In some places landlords are now legally required to approve a tenant’s written request for permission to install charging equipment.
Yes you still have to choose your new rental wisely, but if you have fast chargers as a backup it’s hardly a crisis if there’s a gap.
One also can think fully through whether burning gasoline is sustainable…
....and so people with families can only reasonably buy an electric vehicle as a second car, so that they can restrict its usage to local commuting.
I don't know how the economics work out for that - it probably depends a lot on both the family and the car - but, based on my experience of many years not owning a car myself, and going to the Hertz down the street when I needed one, I wouldn't be surprised if it can be made to work out reasonably well.
The only downside to renting is they may not have inventory on holiday weekends. I've never had this problem.
You will this year if you try, given what a disaster the rental agency inventories are right now.
Every other time they either push me to upgrade, or for whatever reason upgrade my car for free. I usually decline because if it's just me with a carry-on I'd prefer not to pay the extra cost of gas. When I've needed a full-size/SUV I've never had a problem.
Although, one other issue is the widest selection is near an airport. If you're taking a road trip and not flying you may have to drive to one.
About two thirds of the cars I've rented had issues with tires that are balding and leaking air. I wouldn't call that "well-maintained," and I'd have concerns about renting one for a long road trip. I now carry a portable air compressor in the trunk of every car I rent.
"rental companies typically keep their units on strict maintenance schedules. They can’t afford the downtime from unscheduled repairs, so you can be fairly sure that the vehicle is in top shape."
That's been in line with my experience. I'm not brand loyal. In general, the discount brands do have older cars. The name-brands usually had current or last year models. The larger vehicles were almost always brand new unless they were specific to hauling. The only time that hasn't been true was when renting in Iceland. The vehicle was at least 10 years old (maybe 15 or 20?) and we were driving it to remote places. So I was a bit concerned about breaking down and access to help. Thankfully, it never had an issue.
I'm sure certain things like a winch might be hard to get. I know I've specifically requested 4x4 a few times and I've never had the need to ask for tire chains. If you have a particular need, like towing something or you like to go mudding, you'll probably need your own vehicle.
That's just unacceptable to not provide a jack. I know some vehicles, like Mini Coopers, have run flats and don't even offer a spare or jack. That always made me uncomfortable (and it sucks to pay way more for tires with a worse ride).
You may also be limited by the drop-off/pickup times. Road trips often have very early departures or very late returns.
I have a headache just thinking about re-installing 3 car seats for every weekend hiking trip...
Things become significantly more painful when you have kids.
This is hyperbole. If all your stops have very fast electric then you’re going to have a comparable experience (assuming you like long stops). But to say that a Tesla is better than all gasoline cars for road tripping? Hyperbole...
We’re nowhere near the level of infrastructure for any electric car to be comparable to gasoline. I can and have filled up in less than five minutes many times. And only made 3 stops over 16+ hour drives (each being under 10 minutes). I would not and could not have made the same amount of time with an electric car. Therefore, not a superior experience as far as I’m concerned...
Another benefit comes into play when I am going to a less populated/remote place. For example the Ladakh region in India where petrol stations are far and few between. Just fill up a few 5 liter cans with petrol and you have a spare 500-600km range in your trunk. Cheap, easy and efficient.
Slightly hyperbolic. I was on a long trip through Arkansas one night, and was very worried about finding a gas station.
These days, with smartphones and more 24 hour stations it's less of a concern, but if you're not careful it's certainly still possible to end up somewhere without a gas station in easy range. The world is a big place.
On the other hand gas is a highly volatile liquid shipped at great expense across the country to pump stations that typically sell it for low or no margin loss leaders for convenience stores and grocery stores. It's a great miracle of logistics that it seems like gas stations are everywhere, and have more than enough supply to meet demand. The 1970s isn't that far back in human memory to suggest exactly how fragile that supply chain really is and why disruptions in that supply chain are likely to snowball really quick and how quickly petrol cars may have to soon worry again about running out of fuel.
The nice (?horrrible?) thing about petrol is that those stations are environmental disasters, and in many parts of the US the laws governing the dismantling/re-purposing of the stations/land make it an extremely expensive development.
This means that you're not likely to find significantly less stations in most areas anytime soon
(I've got a couple old unused stations in my neighborhood already and watching the various ways they are reused, left to rot/wild, signed and resigned and signed again for sale/lease is an odd past time. I can't imagine what things are going to be feeling like when this is an even far more common phenomenon out in the suburbs and exurbs.)
Our last trip was 3000km, most of it across Northern Ontario. Beautiful country, our only regret is that we didn't stop enough.
On that trip we only spent 15 minutes waiting for the car to charge. The car was plugged in for much longer than that, but while it was we were using the bathroom, eating, sleeping or walking on the beach.
I didn't say the Tesla was better than all gasoline cars. Maybe if you gave me a brand new S class it might have been a superior drive to the Tesla. Whatever car you give me would have to have a feature comparable to AutoPilot, that's a lifesaving feature for long trips in the back country. With AutoPilot on you can spend most of your attention scanning the ditches for moose and other wildlife.
EVs need much longer range, or much faster charging time. Otherwise it will not be scalable.
I routinely drive 600km one way and stop one time for gas and a pee - which takes about 15 minutes total.
The trip usually takes me a little over 6hrs. I cannot imagine an EV would come anywhere near this.
Except for sports/performance cars, I set 400 miles as an absolute floor for range, and have had some that could do a bit over 500 miles (800 km)at 85 mph Texas-and-surrounding-states highway speeds, w/o extra tanks. Oh, and I never worry about turning off the air conditioning, either.
FWIW, for years, I've often stopped at Collin Street Bakery in Waco on trips between Austin and Dallas/Fort Worth. It's the only supercharger between those cities, and the poor Tesla owners often have a very long wait just to plug in. I know all about it, as one of the Tesla owners was bending my ear it over a truly excellent Chicken salad sandwich on my lunch stop. I was in and out for lunch, made a gas stop a bit down the road, and back cruising the interstate long before he could even get plugged in.
EVs are only valuable if your time is not.
Electric has some benefits, but overall, gas engines have more. IMO, the series hybrid, a la the old Chevy Volt, is the best approach - use electric where you can, but with the confidence that you've got a gasoline engine/range extender that can get you there.
Whatever happened to the plan to have facilities where you can drop off your discharged batteries and immediately replace them with charged ones?
It would also have been expensive and a logistical nightmare.
What if you had a brand-new car. Would you want to take a trip and end up with a 3-year old battery?
What if you had a 5-year old car. Would tesla want to give you a new battery?
how would the cost difference be resolved?
I think people didn't want to swap their pristine batteries for old ones. And people with old batteries didn't want to pay for new ones.
and the swap cost would be pretty large.
I'll never, ever understand this particular argument against swappable EV batteries.
this is the video:
The process as demonstrated by Tesla was automated too.
Do Tesla even just the same packs across S/X and 3/Y?
I commute 40 miles each way. It's going to be a very long time before my workplace has electric vehicle plug-ins. Even longer before my apartment complex even considers them. And can you imagine what they'd charge(hehe)? And God forbid we go on a road trip. A 300 mile range is a joke in the Midwest. It's 100 miles round trip to the capitol if you need something from the shops down there.
How long will a decent size truck go on a charge? What if I'm hauling a trailer? 2 horses? 4? If we can't get a sedan to go more than 300 miles on a charge, how far is a decent-sized truck going to go hauling a load? You can put more batteries on them, but what about when you misjudge and you're between nothing and nowhere? Is someone going to bring a jug of electricity out to you to get you to the next charging station?
I like the idea of an electric vehicle, I really do. It is absolutely not feasible for me. Or the majority of my coworkers. It would make way more sense for me to pick up a motorcycle to commute on as far as sustainability and energy efficiency. But the weather here is prohibitive for that. Even if I could reasonably charge an electric vehicle for my commute, I could not own it as my only vehicle. And I can't afford the taxes and maintenance on a second vehicle. It is just not an option for me or for most of the people I know who aren't upper middle class.
If you run out of charge, you get a tow to a fast DC charger or home. AAA piloted an EV charger truck for dead EVs, and deprecated it because no one was using it.
We can fly a helicopter on Mars, but we’re wringing our hands over the equivalent of dryer outlets and where they’re installed. It’s comical. Europe mandated all fast DC chargers inter operate, and everyone swapped their cables to CCS and supported frictionless payments because it was the law (even Tesla at their Superchargers) .
It’s a climate emergency , not a climate inconvenience, and we should start acting like it collectively.
How about maintenance? I do most of my own work on our vehicles. I bought an older truck because I didn't want to deal with all the electronics. Now I'm supposed to buy a vehicle that's not only all electronics, but has potentially dangerous batteries that I don't have the skills to touch? My windows roll down with a crank handle. That was one of my requirements when I bought it. When that mechanism breaks, I can get replacement parts out of the junkyard or off ebay and throw it back together with a little common sense.
I am all about the environment. It's a big deal for me. I cannot, absolutely can not, make an electric vehicle work for my lifestyle. My horse injures her leg, you going to pay the extra $50 for the vet to make a farm call on top of the $500 I'm already going to owe for meds and treatment? That's if it's within office hours. Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla.
Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. For us out here, who need to haul livestock, hay, shit, even just furniture to move, an electric vehicle is not an option if you can't afford 2 vehicles. Oh, just hire movers. Get delivery from the furniture store. $50 to deliver a grill that doesn't fit in an electric car and you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one.
How often have you run out of gas? That's a stupid mistake you make as a kid once and it never happens again. Running out of charge will be little different.
And next gen EV's like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 will be able to give other EV's a top-up.
> The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle?
Tax credits in the new infrastructure plan should cover most of the cost. And if costs tons of money to run power to every stall you're paying the wrong electrician. Even 115V power sufficient for most city EV drivers, but a dryer outlet is better.
> How about maintenance?
One of the main advantages of EV's is that they need far less maintenance.
> Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla.
All the EV trucks coming on the market will tow a heck of a lot more than gasoline trucks will.
> you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one.
Short haul delivery is an ideal use case for electric vehicles.
> Electric vehicles make sense in the big city.
Electric vehicles make a lot of sense out in the country. You've got lots of room for solar panels so you can save a lot of cash and are no longer dependent on fuel deliveries. Electric motors deliver tons of the torque that is crucial when doing real work.
You work out those tax credits and let me know. That's going to cost the government a lot of money they're not going to part with easily.
Electric vehicles don't need headlights changed? Oil? Alternator? I'll give you that I'm 99.9% sure they don't have spark plugs. How about the windows? Automatic door locks? How much will a new key cost me? The 2008 Subaru cost $150 per key. Not even the fob, just the key. My truck keys costs $3 at the hardware store. Is it going to have one of those frustrating touch screens that I can't see during the day? How about when it does need maintenance that I can't do? How much does that cost? Labor's already 75% of the repair cost. What's it going to be when it's the labor of someone willing to mess with the sort of batteries that are used in electric cars?
>All the EV trucks coming on the market will tow a heck of a lot more than gasoline trucks will.
When they come on the market. How much will they cost? I paid 10k for my F250 diesel. 2004, 170k miles on it. 5 years ago in a market that had an abundance of rust-free trucks. How many decades is it going to be before I can get an electric truck in that range? I can't afford last year's F150. Shoot, I was trying to buy an F150 under 10 years old when I found the diesel. There wasn't one in decent shape under 15k. How am I supposed to buy a brand new, new tech, electric truck?
And how far will they tow this weight? Please map me a reasonable route from Flagstaff Arizona to Witchita Kansas where you think there will ostensibly be charging stations in the next 15 years. Add to that the fact that a horse should not be left in a trailer for more than 8 hours. Pretty much every stop to charge at that point will have to be an overnight stay somewhere the animal can move freely and lie down. We made it a 2 day trip with the diesel. We pushed my mare up towards 10 hours and had to pull over before we got to our stopping point to rest her because she was struggling. How about paying for a transport? Joke's on me, transports on that route cost $2-3k if and only if you can even find someone willing to go that way.
Short haul delivery? I've driven box trucks. The small ones have 100 gallon tanks. We filled them about every other day. Are you telling me we already have the technology to charge those in the 10-12 hours they're not in use?
Yes, electric vehicles are torquey. I'd love to have one. I'm a sucker for zippy little cars. But I even ignoring the cost, I could not buy one because they are not at all reasonable for my usage. I miss my grand prix. That car was a hoot. I would kill for a Tesla to zip around town in. But I can't afford to buy one even for 20k and I would have to have a second vehicle which costs money in taxes and upkeep that I don't have.
I'm in Launceston, Tasmania, and half the people I work with are in your situation or similar. An electric vehicle sold new today, bought second have in 10 to 15 years is not going to work for your situation and plenty of others like you.
I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm on the outskirts of a decent sized city. I've never lived in that city and I have no idea what it's like to live on the coasts in the US. I have lived in a number of places, a little bigger and much smaller, have drive commercially, and think I have a pretty good feel for the logistics of the policies that are being proposed. I'm concerned that lot of people who are pushing for electric vehicles either don't know the reality of living in a rural area or are too well paid to realize that the cost of any new vehicle and especially one full of new tech is prohibitive to those in our situations.
Saying things like "EVs are great for towing because torque" completely misses the point that you need to get that torque to the road through the drivetrain and to tow the vehicle through a chassis that can take the load. You're not towing a two-horse slant with a Model S, no matter how much torque it has. Until that's possible, we just keep buying used pick up trucks.
I mean, I get the excitement over EV's but people really need to stop glossing over the fact that they won't necessarily work for everyone at the present time: it just makes it easier for the whole movement to be dismissed.
What your doing is great, don't change a thing. If your happy with your system, absolutely DO NOT go out and buy an EV. Your doing more for the environment by continuing to use that older vehicle than buying electric. The carbon emissions of manufacturing a new vehicle are often as high or higher than the lifetime tailpipe emissions , and it's a price that has already been paid. The longer we can keep existing cars on the road the better.
Sure if it's a given your going to buy a new car, and EV is probably better for the environment than an something gas or diesel powered, but if your looking to really do what's best, keep that existing vehicle in good condition as long as possible.
Production of an electric car emits about 17.5 tonnes of CO2. Each litre of gasoline emits 2.3 kg of CO2. (Yes, the CO2 weighs more than the gasoline. If the old gas car gets 10l/100km, that's 76000 kilometers. The commenter is a rural driver, so that's probably about 2 years worth of driving.
Financing is a thing, I know, but the idea of paying an extra couple thousand in interest to have something right now that I can put money up to afford later is hard to handle for me,
5k? 10k? I could make it work if I had a way of charging it when I'm working 10 hour days plus the nearly 2 hour commute. Over 20k for a car, plus I have no way of charging it. Plus even if I parked it in my parents' garage, it might not have enough juice for the commute plus errands? I can't do it. My husband could get away with one, but then you're really pushing the edge of how much environmental impact an EV has vs maintaining an old vehicle. Maybe he gets an EV and I take the Honda that hates me? We still have to pay maintenance and taxes on the truck which I can't replace because there's nothing on the market for it and we couldn't afford it anyway. I do steal the car from him when he doesn't need it, which with my schedule is pretty often. You can say that I'm an edge case, but a large portion of the interior I'd the US is in the same predicament .
Maybe I should move closer to work? I'd love to, but my husband works in the city. And the town that I work in is literally a valley that was underwater last year and most likely will flood more and more often because of the global warming we're trying to escape. I'd love property near there, uphill.a bit, but as of this spring and summer, we can't afford it. I guess we're between an island and a long commute. Maybe I'm just putting these posts up so that people whose living situations can afford a new vehicle or public transport realize that there's a lot of us out here in cow country that just can't afford the tens of thousands that it would take to be environmentally friendly as they see it.
And keep that Honda, it's a gem. Great fuel efficiency, embodied carbon long paid off. An EV would be better, but that Honda is a close second.
I hope when I get life together enough to buy a new car, that EVs have gotten to a point where I can reasonably own one. But as of now, I'm going to keep my truck and my husband's little jerk of a Honda going and reduce my impact in other ways.
To that end, if you're urban enough to not need a car, the point is moot.
In my humble opinion, being urban-yet-still-needing-a-car-but-not-having-a-garage is an orthognal problem: we should put more effort into public transit or bike or walkability (e.g., more compact neighborhoods, with no street parking), with the end goal of reducing *all* car ownership.
For road trips, level 3 charging *for teslas* is truly, truly excellent. About a year ago we traveled up to Michigan's upper peninsula, which at the time had no superchargers, but we were able to trickle charge off of a power socket on the porch of the friends we were visiting.
We were planning a trip to family in rural Virginia before the pandemic struck, and we could either trickle charge off 110v outside their garage, or we could have backed the car up to the window outside their laundry room and used the 240v32A socket for their dryer.
There's plenty of options for charging an EV, especially if you're willing to tolerate minor inconvenience. It is something you should know about, and plan around, definitely--but with the amount of effort Tesla is putting into expanding the supercharger network, and with the gradual rollout of more and more public level 2 charging, it's not nearly the issue I think many people make it out to be.
Edit 10:36 CDT: spelling
>> if you cant level 2 charge at home then yes... having an EV may be quite inconvenient.
Seems to imply exactly what you said. I think maybe people are down voting because, if you put enough effort, then those things aren't a problem. For example, I traveled with a family in Colombia and the charging was not an issue. They had a 100m extension cord at one place. Every hotel needed a parking space close to where the electricity entered from the power lines to the building for the portable charging cord. We stopped multiple times for 5 hours which the kids used to play. In the end, we did everything we wanted to. But the driving was dictated by the car. A modern day road trip with a gas and EV is not even comparable. Again, not sure why you are down voted.
This is an example of why DC fast charging in anything but a Tesla kind of stinks.
Having to make sure your EV is at the charging station for a certain time is much more a hassle than a three minute stop at gas station. Its a valid cons of owning an EV, dont pretend its "dumb" just because you like them, or you dont experience the pain
If all you life consists of is driving around locally, then yes an EV would be convenient. Luckily, there is way more to life than that.
A lot of folks also leased their EVs and got great deals on charging with the lease. As these leases have expired along with their charging discounts, it's not surprising that these folks are returning the cars and switching back to gas powered vehicles with better ROI.
More government incentives are needed to build charging infrastructure and make EV ownership more viable for people that don't own a single family home. Otherwise the EV revolution will be dead in the water.
What we need is for landlords to allow charging on 120V outlets. Normalize it. Actually mandate it be allowed. And cheaply, too. (Landlords would quickly discover affordable ways to accommodate charging.)
(But this is why we need EVERYONE to have EVs. At least plug in hybrids.)
Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage.
And it's a fight for your charging time, because there are like 100 teslas for 2 chargers.
Not true, unless you specifically mean 240V.
> For residential leases signed, renewed or extend on or after July 1, 2015, landlords are required to approve a tenant’s written request to install an electric vehicle charging station at the tenant’s parking space if the tenant enters into a written agreement which includes...
I used to live in an apartment and was able to charge my EV at work. There was no where for me to actually plug in my EV outside. I lived on the 2nd floor and could have just hung a cable out of apartment window to charge, but I wasn't interested in leaving my window open all day every day. During the first several months of the pandemic, I hardly used my EV, preferring my wife's ICE lest I have to take it to a charger near by and wait around for 30+ minutes to charge it.
It wasn't until I finally moved into a house a few months ago that I started using my EV again.
For example, I've set my car to only charge in the middle of the night in order to get the best energy rate for such a large draw from the grid.
There are outlets everywhere but folks aren’t allowed to use them. Electric cars are not normalized.
Teslas and PHEVs are the only electric cars I can unreservedly recommend. Teslas (new ones at least) have substantial batteries, often comparable to standard gas cars, and extensive charging networks at high speed. Still kind of sucks if you can’t charge at home or work, but possible.
PHEVs are really where we need to go to massively normalize EVs. We could, today, replace everyone’s vehicle with a PHEV version (like a Volt) & everything would work fine. People would nag landlords to let them plug in, and it’d become a legitimate differentiation if apartments allowed plugging in (as it’d reduce the cost of energy for transport by a factor of 2-3), so competitive pressure would accomplish what landlords currently don’t allow because they’re lazy, poorly informed, and/or ambivalent about it.
Pure EVs should be at LEAST ~250 miles in range, and probably at least 100kW charge speed, too.
What we need is a mandate that by 2030, all new vehicles must be at least plug in hybrid. That’s way better than the 60% zero emissions cars by 2030 I’ve seen going around.
If I commute 25 miles daily, that would be 10 KWH a day, which is about $2.00 a day depending on a number of factors.
$60 a month is a lot, and you know people would drive more if they weren't paying for the energy.
Not to mention, you would need to upgrade your circuits if everyone was charging.
In large cities, a parking space in a garage is about $150/month. So still much more than electricity.
And I don’t think people would drive a lot more if electricity was free versus 13¢/kWh. At that point, electricity cost is a small part of the cost of driving.
And most people in apartments aren't paying that much. I am sure for luxury apartments with high rents and parking fees won't notice the difference, but most apartments aren't like that.
I am not arguing that an electric car is not cheaper to drive than a gas car (I have one myself)....I am just saying it isn’t free or near free, so expecting someone else to pay for your electricity to charge your car is unreasonable.
The very worst thing about EV owners/advocates is the suffocating cloud of smug that they spew everywhere they go, whether in the car or not.
There must be some reform for those living with a condo association.
You can fill the petrol vehicle at and filling station.
Can you get a adaptor to use a Tesla Supercharger on other cars?
I live Copenhagen, and I've been looking at buying a car again, due to a job offer from a company a little ways outside the city, 25 minutes by car. Due to an unfortunate combination of where I live, the location of the company and public transit route planning, that same trip would necessitate going by bus, then two trains and another bus, a little over 1 hour in total.
So with that commute in mind, an electric car would be absolutely perfect. Even a smaller model with basic range would be plenty, if only I had somewhere to reasonably charge it. As with most other apartment buildings in Copenhagen, there is no dedicated parking, so we share a bunch of street parking with the surrounding buildings. I can't even park a car beneath my apartment window and run a power cable, since I would have to drape it across a sidewalk and a bike path.
Perhaps a nearby charging point could make it work, but the nearest public charging point is around 1km away, so I'd have to plug in the car, walk home, wait a bit, then walk back and get the car, since you can't just block a charging point forever once your car is charged.
If I had a garage, carport or dedicated parking spot, I would absolutely install a charger and drive an electric car, but that's not possible when you're not the owner of the spot where you park your car.
Instead I'll probably get a hybrid of some sort, but it feels like a cop-out when I absolutely could drive an electric car, based on my commute and even the 1,5-hour drive to visit my family.
We need more charging infrastructure, especially for apartment dwellers.
Somewhat related horsepower and torque and their relationship to each other is completely misunderstood by almost everyone I know.
This stuff should really be taught at a young age, its not hard and applies to so many things around us in our daily lives.
Maybe this is a dumb question, but how do you charge a car via solar at night?
So at the end of the month, the bill is: What you consumed to the grid in the night - what you added in the day, so depending on the sunlight you got, there could be months where you pay 0 in electricity bills.
Option B) A lot of 18650 batteries and a inverter connected to your home, like the tesla powerwall.
Or more likely as with most solar systems they are "grid-tie"
Your electric meter essentially runs backwards during the day when you are selling excess power from your panels to the utility. Then you "buy" it back at night when you are drawing more power than your solar panels make.
(For power-limited off-grid applications, a smart charger makes a lot of sense. That’s a niche use case.)
Many/most homes have access to 220v service. 80 amps at 220v will supply 40kW in 2-1/2 hours. http://garagechargers.com/ev-charging-calculations
Edit: This site estimates EV-station install costs by Zip code. (US average $750. Or about 200 gal of $4 gasoline.) https://www.homeadvisor.com/cost/garages/install-an-electric...
If I had an EV back then the same practice would have worked perfectly fine.
But judging from the amount of negativity I received back then WRT powering my welder, I wouldn't be surprised if very few are being resourceful in this way. Even if they have an attached garage and access to appliance outlets somewhere in a rental, people seem to have an irrational fear of electricity.
It seems like the only topics that can be discussed on the internet are ones that are so far removed from practical application that they are immune to people showing up and crapping all over the discussion in search of virtue points for caring about other people's safety/money/health/whatever.
We can discuss code compilers no problem but god forbid you ask a question about tiling your bathroom and you will be inundated with people singing praises to GFCIs, quoting the building code, citing statistics about slip and fall injuries. It all makes more sense when you realize they don't actually want to answer your question, discuss bathroom tiles or provide anything of value. You've simply provided them an opportunity to signal to each other. But making sense doesn't make it any less frustrating.
I bet if you had opened up your welder and installed the long cord as though it were the OE power cord those people wouldn't have said anything.
I would have wired up a 220v cord that plugs into two 120v outlets just to piss them off.
(And it should go without saying that your extension cord is perfectly safe if sized properly)
I've heard the term "garage orphan". There's lots of inner city neighborhoods where the closest legal parking spot is too far to run an extension cord. Here in Canada there's a number of creative arrangements to run extension cords to block heaters in the winter if you need to get to work in a -30C morning. Bylaws can be an obstacle.
The federal government is going to buy a staggering number of EVs over the next ten years, as will Amazon, UPS, and Fedex.
There's also on route chargers for buses. There's contact bars mounted on the roof of the bus and the charger drops down during the stop.
If you can use a Tesla Wall Connector on a 240 V circuit with a 60 A breaker, it charges at 44 miles per hour (if extended range model--standard range model maxes out at 30 miles per hour charging) .
You've got to have access to a Supercharger to get anywhere near the "charge" rate of an ICE. A Supercharger can do 1000 miles per hour. That's still slower than an ICE, but at least it is almost within an order of magnitude. An ICE that gets 25 miles per gallon can be "charged" by a standard gas pump at 15000 miles per hour.
You just use a Tesla like you use a Plug-in hybrid like a Volt. Charge at 120V every night for about 12 hours or whatever (worth about 60 miles a day and 400 miles a week) and you’ve got a buffer of about 300 miles, which is the same as my Volt. If you ever drop too low, just fill up at a fast charge place. I fill up my Volt maybe once every 6 months and it has just 35 mile electric range. A trip to the Supercharger every 6 months is not a problem, and I’d never need to do it except on road trips (unlike my Volt which occasionally uses up its 35 mile EV range on errands and I need to dig in to that 300 mile buffer). Even with just a 120V charge.
Beats going to the gas station every two weeks like y’all have to do. Comments like this really show that non-EV owners simply don’t understand what owning an EV is like. Buy a plug-in hybrid (one with at least 35 mile range and capable of going highway speeds pure electric), which has no risk of “range anxiety”, and you’ll understand why you really spend almost no time charging compared to how much time you have to spend going to gas stations with an ICE vehicle.
The issue with people switching to non-EVs is they either have a small, pure-electric EV, they have life events that mean there isn’t an EV available that fits their requirements (frustratingly, no one offers a plug in pickup truck today), or they had to live in a place that won’t let them plug in (which is a good reason to consider a plug-in hybrid).
IOW: Got a white BEV sticker? That's worthless. You need the red sticker, only available on new BEVs.
There are a lot of reasons for people to do the latter that don't necessarily mean they're dissatisfied with their EV.
The article links to an abstract which is ambiguously worded, and the article is paywalled.
What in the... A Level 2 charger is less than $500 online, and requires some rather simple wiring, even if you wanted to use an electrician's services, it would only take them a couple of hours maximum. Can the people purchasing the $43,000 Mustang Mach-E mentioned in the article really not afford the extra $1000 it takes to install Level 2 charging?
Run a new line to where you park.
Upgrade your electrical box.
Upgrade the electrical feed from the utility.
Reroute other things near where you want to charge the car for safety reasons. (My gas meter is basically exactly where I'd want to put my charger).
Rent a house you don't want to pay to upgrade.
Rent an apartment with shared parking you can't control.
Only have street parking available.
It is my legal right in California to have this installed (at my own expense) but... is it worth it? I don’t even know how long I will stay here.