> Why are you so angry?
> So, why don’t you do what we did? Admit it, Own it, Fix it.
> So, as your competitor, I thought it would be fair that Wix talks about WordPress issues, just as WordPress talks about Wix issues.
> Yet, you seem to be so angry about it.
> But I’m pretty sure you already know all of that. What I’m not so sure is, why are you twisting the truth?
> I am really tempted to say here, if you guys stop writing bad things about us, we won’t publish the bad truth about you, but that sounds kind of childish, don’t you agree?
> Finally, during the last few years, I reached out a couple of times to try to meet with you but you declined, so I guess it’s our fate to continue the fun that is chatting over the internet, instead of over a cup of coffee.
Not a good look. The merits of the argument are sandwiched between projections and immaturity.
Just stick to why you're better and focus on your own business. You can't control what others do.
Honestly, at that point I stopped reading. I am not a fan of the WordPress dev scene, I spent about a year heavily involed within that scene and I noticed time and time again bugs getting patches and those patches not getting applied and then new patches getting created and not getting applied. Then I seen the whole "I've been here for X so I am more important" or "We don't like you so you're never getting commit rights even tho you do really valuable work on WordPress".
But one thing they do do is admit there is an issue and fix them. WordPress' core security seems to be really good, I can't remember the last time they had a flaw. 3rd party plugins can't be helped, really. There are quite a few plugins specifically to help secure Wordpress sites. So it seems WordPress as a project have dealt with their security issues and the community help deal with the stuff that is outside the scope of the WordPress project.
Then you have the memory issues and what not. WordPress scales really well the last time I checked. So I am not really sure what they expect WordPress to do.
I seen the Wix ad on twitter and I literally thought "Yep target people who don't know any better"
> "y u so mad?"
at some nonsense that his marketing team instigated.
I've never much liked Wix for all of the obvious reasons, but I now have an absolute anchor in my head to discourage anyone I talk to who might ask me if Wix is a worthwhile option.
It's written in the same obnoxious tone as this latest post.
Discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826088
And Wix also used WordPress’ editor in their mobile app, arguably in violation of the GPL license.
So this genial blankness “I don’t understand why you’re angry” is just gaslighting BS, and really makes me think the Wixxer CEO is a total douchebag.
> its not even your code!
Talk about missing the fucking point...
See the post it’s responding to:
And even worse, this article about their off-putting ad campaign that they brush off so quickly:
Simply put, this post doesn’t need a follow-up. It needs to be taken down. Period.
Should Wix see this thread and think it’s a good idea to say, jump in here and try to defend yourself... it’s not. This is not a good look.
Have you every seen a Wix website? It is literally everything wrong with a page builder in a single application.
The code it spits out is basically unreadable, a mix of position absolute garbage and weird grid with margins??? I am fairly certain frontpage and any other page builder out there spits out better code then Wix.
They market to people who have no idea how to build sites, and you end up with actual garbage. Using their text editor is probably the worst thing I've ever had to use.
Moral of the story is I hate Wix.
I actually did work with a band once and the leader got mad with me when I suggested hosting our own thing. He prefer to pay the $20 a month for Wix and so we went
My problem is specifically with Wix and the garbage they produce.
I've done hundreds of Squarespace, Webflow, etc etc sites and they are perfectly fine. I see no reason a band needs to pay someone or have an agency build a site for them.
My problem is a company marketing themselves as the next best thing, when really it's probably one of the worst products I've ever used (even spinning up a WordPress instance, installing a random page builder plugin is better then the results you get from Wix).
In a perfect world they'd spend less money marketing and more on building good products, but they're aiming for non-technical people who will create a Wix page and then forget about it.
I don't like Wix ether, but their business model is definitely working.
These are all options, but just because George down the street uses them doesn't mean they should be suggested.
To do this you need to register the domain, and then point your domain to an S3 bucket hosting the PDF. I have numerous friends who I consider to be extremely smart, but will never any day of the week be able to figure out how to do that.
I think I agree with you, Wix is better at marketing than website design. But functionally as a business, they're making fantastic profits.
This doesn't really address Matt's point that the Wix app should be GPL licensed and that attribution should be given in order to comply with the library's GPL license. If anything, this response from Avishai just makes Wix look worse.
I don't get that shit.
:eyeroll: - Regardless of past drama, this is an unacceptable way to treat any opensource contributor. Fuck this guy.
Particular points that triggered me is the claim that there are _other_ people/companies who wrote export tools for Wix, but Wix themselves still do not offer such tooling.
Then they still are not open-source, lame.
Lastly, the fact that the CEO needed to post a picture of himself with arms crossed as the main image in the article, not cool in the tech world, maybe some BS business world that flies, but not here.
Weird post to read, not very CEO like to be spitting the dummy like that.
I took it over from a client after their previous webdesigner very obviously struggled to make a half decent website with it.
The whole thing is a bunch of images, a menu and maybe one page worth of text alltogether - basically a small product catalog. But even that ,because of the convoluted code Wix creates, is impossible to export in a half-maintainable way.
And I have checked - it´s not just the webdesigner´s fault - I mean, I´ve tried to open the wix editing tool, and it uses so much memory that it regularily crashed the chrome tab that I had opened it in.
It´s really one of the worst tools that I have ever used (I am sure there is worse - but I haven´t used it).
And to quote from their documentation:
Wix does not support the exporting of files created using Wix to an external destination or host. All
Wix creations are hosted on Wix's servers. The advantages of using Wix as your host include
improvements to your site's loading time, search engine optimization and more.
Edit: and to add "improvements to your site's loading time, search engine optimization and more." my ass...
You may want to have a look at this Github repo:
> Your Wix site and its technology is hosted on Wix's servers. You can connect a domain to your Wix site and host the domain with another provider, however, your Wix site must remain hosted on Wix's servers.
They then go on to say that the reason you can't export is due to the nature of SaaS, which is just hogwash. It's a lock-in decision they made, which many of their competitors (E.g Squarespace, Webflow) did not make.
He even said it himself - they haven’t “turned them off” or limited them but that tells you all you need to know about their perspective on those “export tools”.
You can always make your bones off of someone else's back - it's just not a good look. I put up a Wix site for my wife last year, now I'm going to have to go through the trouble of moving it off wix.
I dislike page builders, but I'd use Elementor or Gutenberg any day over Wix.
So while I'm absolutely no fan of WP at all, still you can self-host it, unlike Wix' builder. Don't fall for this kind of marketing.
If I want to spin up a WordPress instance, I have to put in much more work than creating something with Wix. I have much more control, I don't have to worry about having to completely rebuild my website to switch host.
For my needs even Wix is too much. I like
Fraction of the cost and gets the job done.