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I'm not confusing the visas, though I probably could have made it clearer. I'm not talking about what you can do with the visa waiver. I specifically mentioned the case where the visitor is from South America, because there's no visa waiver for us.

For people who are require to have visas, the tourist visa and the business visa are issued together. When you get to the port of embark, you tell the immigration officer whether you're coming for business or pleasure.

http://www.workpermit.com/us/employer_b1_b2.htm

> Next, for short trips, visiting without a visa is equivalent to having a business visa (B-1). It allows you to meet with US clients, customers, partners, and so on and it allows you to go to conferences.

Yeah, that's the situation I described.

> It does not allow you to work.

...for an US entity. If you're going for business then you're working, right? Anyway, even if it's not specifically allowed, there's a gray area.

> See as a recent example from Hacker News: http://www.noop.nl/2011/06/american-learning-experience.html

I read that, I think he was quite naive and uninformed. He should have done what I described. "I'm working for DutchCorp, and will go to a business trade event, here's the invitation". Then he would make sure the event organizers would not pay him directly. They would pay his Dutch company, and he would get paid in Netherlands, not in US.




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