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For reference, Amazon's anti-union site:

https://www.doitwithoutdues.com/




I have to say, I'm kind of creeped out by union dues. It just feels less about workers helping themselves and more like some workers creating a new power structure and job roles that they can enjoy.


Unions are like governments. I am pro big-government (generally), but it is effectively a coordinated power structure. That power structure, like any, can be corrupt/etc.

So i like unions (and have been a member of one), generally, in the same way i like governments. However they need clarity, visibility, and structures to answer to its members. A god-king union is no better than a god-king government.

Imo, they're work. They require care to exist properly, just like governments. But when done right, they're the only source of citizen power in the workforce. Especially in the modern day of mega corporations.


without the power afforded by money to the union, it cannot stand up to the company. the dues are functionally an insurance payment for security in your job.

this comment is similar to saying:

i'm kinda creeped out by car insurance payments. it just feels less about protecting other drivers and more about enriching the insurance companies.

you are right that it does create a new power structure and job roles, that's the point of it! the money you pay is also part of the strike pay you'd get back.


> i'm kinda creeped out by car insurance payments. it just feels less about protecting other drivers and more about enriching the insurance companies.

Yeah, me too! And health and homeowners insurance while we're at it. All systems seemingly meant to exploit statistics for the betterment of us all...and yet the 20 most expensive homes in my city growing up were owned by insurance execs... What an oddity!


It's easy to profit when citizens are forced by government to pay you in order for them to do their business.


Fortunately unions aren't for profit so that's generally less of a concern


Yeah, unions deal in a different currency than dollars. The rest of it works much the same way.


A union is like a democracy, it can be elective where you can naively hope that the elected people will be honest and incorruptible or it can be participative where you must participate in the union in order for it to succeed.


Things unions offer with those dues:

Legal support - your boss has done something you disagree with

Strike fund - in the worse case the union uses its savings to support the members for a strike

Full time reps - this is perhaps the one most open to abuse, but in my experience union reps fight for the workers - otherwise they get sacked, they are elected positions.

Pay for legal advice - essential when fighting the big boys

And what you would hope is by paying union dues that your pay rise more than covers the union due.

The fact that amazon is fighting against it so hard, you can only assume its good for workers pay.


> It just feels less about workers helping themselves and more like some workers creating a new power structure and job roles that they can enjoy.

When you have one organized power structure that is using its power to exploit people, the only real way to combat it is with another organized power structure.

Bezoes is worth $196 billion. You're not going to be able to effectively push back against that with bake sales.


And your suggested way to operate an organisation without money is...?


there is a nice answer: https://justdue.it/


I have to ask as I'm really uncertain and also European, so this whole debate is a bit strange for me.

Is that an ironic website supposed to give the union a boost/shit on Amazon or is this a real attempt on getting people to dislike paying unions their due? I could not help but to laugh at some of the arguments in it, hence my question. It doesn't seem very sincere.


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