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This is Cloudflare's official statement (I work for Cloudflare):

This afternoon we were alerted that the Verkada security camera system that monitors main entry points and main thoroughfares in a handful of Cloudflare offices may have been compromised. The cameras were located in offices that have been officially closed for nearly a year.

As soon as we became aware of the compromise, we disabled the cameras and disconnected them from office networks. No customer data or processes have been impacted by this incident.

This incident emphasizes the importance of the Zero Trust model that Cloudflare follows and provides to customers, which ensures that if any one system or vendor is compromised, it does not compromise the entire organization. Unlike the previous castle-and-moat approach, a Zero Trust model functions more like bulkheads in a ship, making sure that a leak in one place doesn’t sink the entire ship.




Incidentally this breach is not specific to Cloudflare, it affects lots of companies:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/9/22322122/verkada-hack-1500...

Hackers gained access to over 150,000 of [Verkada]’s cameras, including cameras in Tesla factories and warehouses, Cloudflare offices, Equinox gyms, hospitals, jails, schools, police stations, and Verkada’s own offices, Bloomberg reports.


That sounds bad, if you have camera footage of people entering passwords into their computers, you can gain access to lots of other things.


Unless they use two factor, which I sure hope they do.


Sounds like when someone "hacked" an airplane because they hacked into the OS of the entertainment systems.


It's been claimed that it was possible to bridge from the entertainment system network to the thrust management system of the aircraft, at least according to the FBI's warrant: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/computer-e...

This sounds silly, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone cheaped out somewhere and connected two networks that should never be connected together.


What would surprise me less would be companies connecting cameras to their Corp network...


except aircraft are much more likely to implement good network segregation as opposed to 150,000 random companies.


Most of the entertainment systems on airplanes were an afterthought that was implemented after the fact, not something built-in in the first place.


That’s kind of beside the point, any aircraft security staff involved would demand segregation. 150k random companies? Hell, 75% don’t even have security teams.


Great! Sounds like "we could have owned half the internet" was hyperbole.


Great pivot into "this illustrates our excellent security".


>The cameras were located in offices that have been officially closed for nearly a year.

This explanation begs the obvious question, why were they still connected to Cloudflare's internal network for nearly a year? Does Cloudflare just keep paying rent for 'officially closed' offices? Obviously this ArsonCats group is exaggerating the extent of the hack but this official explanation from Cloudflare doesn't exactly pass the sniff test either.


I don’t know about Cloudflare specifically, but almost every Cloudlfare-sized tech company in SF has had their offices closed to employees for a year. Most of them plan to reopen and are continuing to pay rent.

Under those circumstances it definitely makes sense to keep the cameras on.


I understand this and that's the point I'm trying to make here. The statement is just deflecting and downplaying the issue. What exactly does 'officially closed' mean? The office wasn't 'officially closed', it was unoccupied because of COVID. It was still paid for by Cloudflare and on it's network. The statement is purposefully misleading.


Occam’s razor. The simplest solution....


> Does Cloudflare just keep paying rent for 'officially closed' offices?

Well... yes. We intend to open them again when the pandemic is over.


Well, you'd also keep your security cameras on when going on vacation, it's just that covid is a lot more painful than a vacation.


"It's just going to be two weeks."


Paying rent for closed offices is common, especially with COVID. Commercial leases aren't usually 1 year like residential.


It's called a lease, but also it's likely some small numbers of staff visit the offices from time to time




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