Here's one of the oldest I can find, with timestamp 1988-07-06 00:00:
or via http:
This is the oldest one I can find on nic.funet.fi, from 1991:
They have mirrors of many of the old ftp servers of yore, so if there's an older image out there, that's the place to look:
Most of the other old FTP servers I remember (sunsite.unc.edu, ftp.simtel.net, ftp.uu.net) have long since shut down. The ftp server at ftp.sunet.se is one of the oldest still running. Perhaps someone else knows of an older one?
I tried to find a copy of lena.bmp/lena.tga/lena.pcx since those file formats pre-date GIF, but I came up empty.
The HTTP header is reporting:
curl -I "http://ftp.sunet.se/mirror/archive/ftp.sunet.se/pub/pictures..." | grep Last-Modified
Last-Modified: Tue, 05 Jul 1988 22:00:00 GMT
But it's just forwarding the filesystem mtime.
There's no exif data for this image, which totally checks out because it predates the exif format.
> > > > > Here are some numbers: [6, 2, 34]
> > > > That's neat, one of them is prime
> > > 6 isn't prime, its factors are 2 and 3
> > Are we reading the same comment? There is a prime there
> 6 was mentioned there and it isn't prime
It's like some sort of weird comedy skit.
I believe it's the equivalent of the [XY Problem], except in the context of an (imagined) disagreement. It happens because the second comment is misinterpreted to be arguing against the first when really it may be in addition. It can be fixed by readers taking a charitable interpretation of the second comment, or by the second commenter's author making it clear that they're not disagreeing, as in,
> > > Yes, and 6 isn't prime, its factors are 2 and 3
I'm pulling out these two comments because it's a much more common pattern than just this comment chain; I think it happens all the time with text in general. Actually, I'm commenting here because it just [happened to me] in a different context. Someone I thought I was arguing with turned out to mostly agree with me — but because we failed to re-affirm the parts of each other's arguments that we agreed with, it seemed like we disagreed more than we did.
[XY Problem]: https://xyproblem.info/
[happened to me]: https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/2565...
> > > > > Here are some waifus: [lenna, 6rem, natsuki]
> > > > That's neet, one of them is best girl
> > > lenna isn't from an anime, she exists irl
> > Are we reading the same comment? That's just your opinion, man
> 6rem is best spacing and material design is justice
It's like some sort of tone-deaf comedy skit.
This is low-effort humor. I took the comment above and replaced words with memes from anime, tech, and earlier in this conversation thread. There's no (intentionally) meaningful relation between rem and Rem, or the number 6, I was just pattern matching things that sounded similar. Basically the equivalent of an "I hardly know her" joke. Funny only for the meme value, and not what I come to HN for.
In this particular thread, ^^that^^ is the joke — that we mistake unrelated comments as meaningful replies.
PBM is probably older than GIF and still has software support
though apparently not directly in browsers! (I would have expected it did, but I couldn't get browsers to render PBM files directly.)
The list of all webservers used to fit on a single page, which might be a good starting point. However, at this point I believe anything still functioning might fit your definition of a "mirror" as few things still speak HTTP/0.9.
dated 30 Sept 1992, which is pretty old as far as the web goes.
I would agree that an archive ala archive.org should be disqualified, because
few people would go to that site as the original. To me, Sunet is a little more grey, because while it is an archive/mirror site, many people used it and linked to it as if it were the primary source and not just an archive site. Before the web was indexed and search engines became popular, large mirror sites were the easiest way to access a variety of content, all in one place.
(Meaning the the current maintainers could fix this by doing a single "ln -s" command, ehrm. @ acc.umu.se.)
Anyway, a previous webmaster of this site replied another time it was posted here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23709016 if anyone's curious.
I created a tool that will show you the images in the apache directory listings. Here's an example
These kinds of old icon libraries can be a good source for finding old sites. Here's more from that same domain
I used this technique to find an old icon set for the promotional page to some software of mine to give it a 1993 feel http://bootstra386.com
I Need to go back and finish that...
Also the site totally works in Netscape Navigator 2.02 and renders nearly identical down to the pixel
Careful observers will note the Easter egg :)
I'll bring the Pentium 90 up if people want, I moved the main site to a raspberry pi just for power reasons
Edit: i brought it up. The link on the main page works. I'll probably not being back the twitch stream unless there's demand though
Edit 2: brought the ssh and telnet back up as well
Edit 3: The source for the image browser: http://9ol.es/pre.php?url=apache-img.php
Now it's time to put it offline.
So it's not something I actually care about, at all. I've actually used that tool to point to various system files doing exactly that strategy.
So feel free to create an account on the pentium 90, find my printers ip address and make it print me a message. I'll find it exciting and adorable.
edit: I looked at the log, looks like you guys are having fun poking around my system. I love the creativity. enjoy. Be sure to reply with any epic exploits. I'm genuinely excited to see what you find.
I just plugged in a webcam. See if you can snap a picture! I'll give 0.1LTC to the first paparazzi.
I used to schedule appointments with myself but it's so hard to keep up the act, sleeping in and doing nothing all day is so nice.
I still have emails in my homedir from 1990. Ugh.
Currently served with a Last-modified of 1994-12-07T02:42Z -- Archive.org's oldest capture (Dec 1996) includes the link.
This is local copy of Anthony's WWW Images 1.8 released April 1996 by Anthony Thyssen. It was meant as a common set of common navigation icons for the web.
k12s.phast.umass.edu has been running continuously since late 1995. K12S was a spin off k12.oit.umass.edu (a free menu-based multi-user public access system for K-12 teachers and students). The S stood for SLiRP -- an open source SLIP/PPP emulator -- so they could offer emulated SLIP connections via the UMass modem-banks at no cost (local commercial SLIP accounts were $5.95/hr IIRC).
Do you have good memory for the content of the books you've read? Or do some specific books stand out even over several years?
I mean... there's probably no point forcing yourself if you don't want to. People who read a lot of books, myself included, don't do it because we're diligent, we do it because we enjoy it.
There's nothing special about books. You might as well say "I am going to finish 3 video games this year" or "I am going to go fishing three times this year".
If the achieving of goals itself is what brings you enjoyment, then by all means, go for it.
I suppose there's also a case to be made for people who tend to not take enough time off and who need to set themselves goals for leisure time for that reason.
Anyways: Don't torture yourself.
I'm gonna countersignal the other guy who replied to you and tell you that this is great news. I have had years in my life when I have read 40+ books, and years where I have read none at all. Setting a goal to carve off time for reading is huge. There is something special about books, something no other form of media does in terms of engaging your brain as an active participant. It's good for you.
As for volume, a lot comes from what I prioritize. I don't watch much television (especially by American standards), and back when commuting was a thing, that was 60–90 minutes a day of reading time.
And, alas, I still fall victim to the buying more books than I can read trap (for a brief while I had the unread books down to a single IKEA Billy bookcase, but I fell off the wagon and now there are piles of books on most flat surfaces stacked with books that I intend to read.
And still I find the pictures astonishingly good for 1994..
Because I can't find it easily online.
"Berners-Lee made a webpage to advertise events taking place at CERN and uploaded Gennaro’s picture of the band. The image was tiny—only around 120 pixels by 50 pixels—because the early web would have struggled with larger images. It was about the size of a stamp".
<meta name="generator" content="Adobe GoLive 6">
I guess it's probably a scanned print rather than an image from a digital cameras.
This whole site from 1996 still works!
Gotta love the editorializing right there.
There are a group of fans who've kept it up and updated....
"You are welcome to buy our jam or you can also buy our website"
The image links still work.
Edit to add: Sorry, firefox misled me by showing the mtime of the html page when I asked for image info. The images are from 3 Jan 2003.
That sounds like a Pynchon character...is she a real person or did Pynchon help you make this site?
Heck, doing an `ls -la`, I have files on there that I have not modified since 1996.
R.I.P. John DuBois, founder of Armory http://www.armory.com/~spcecdt/
That tiny Swedish company was my first employer 1997-2004. Fun times.
Lots of the images are from 1996:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12187 Nov 9 1996 amigactit.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2252 Nov 9 1996 Amiga.gif
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9282 Nov 9 1996 BlueBack.gif
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45784 Nov 9 1996 IBrowseNowAnim.gif
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18014 Nov 9 1996 JoshSuit1L.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4880 Nov 9 1996 JoshSuit1LNail.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93300 Nov 9 1996 logo.jpg
but in the mid-2000s, when I discovered it was dying, I restored it here by finding images on archive.org:
Not necessarily as per topic, but it was quite amusing at the time. Still a little funny now, at least to me.
Fun fact: The amusement park from his 3rd most recent tweet burned to the ground a few days ago, suspiciously shortly after the company declared bankruptcy.
Last-Modified: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 19:00:00 GMT
That said, there were several earlier browsers that could opened image tags in another window or app - Viola, Cello, etc. (Even Lynx, which still exists for some bizarre reason...)
As hard as it will be for the younger crowd to believe, at that time every new web site on the Internet got posted to the NCSA "What's New" page, so people would know what all's out there!
I don't follow. Are you referring to the progressive GIF rendering? It seems to be working beautifully and as intended. It's a 40K GIF that downloads at 5K/s, presumably because of limited server-side throughput (artificial or real). If you just open it locally or host it somewhere else it renders instantaneously, without any hint of its progressive encoding.
Or maybe that's what you were referring to--the possibly deliberate uplink throttling--and we just have different opinions about what's "beautiful".
Netscape Navigator was the second popular web browser to show images.
Problem is that the first one changed their domain name since then, from ncsa.uiuc.edu to ncsa.illinois.edu, so unless there’s some obscure little server still running, those are gone.
You’re going to want to look for one of the pilot sites of the internet, but find one that’s been continuously operational. The original CERN site went away.
Cello lost to Mosaic, Mosaic lost to Navigator, humanity lost to IE, then IE lost to Firefox, Firefox lost to webkit, and now on HN we hand-wring about whether humanity is losing to Google or not.
I have had many, many conversations about the "Browser Wars" over the years and it's like talking about cross-border rivalries in the Midwest. Nobody can quite agree on who is the best or worst. Most people can't even agree about who was actually involved (is Ohio in the Midwest? People in Ohio say yes. People in the Mississippi River Valley say no).
Everybody who is anybody agrees that they all hate IE/Iowa.
I was trying to put together some timelines at one point and was reading biographies about Spyglass. Do you remember Spyglass? According to the founder, the Browser Wars were Spyglass versus IE (or was it Navigator?), and Spyglass won.
Why? Because he was only thinking about corporate computers. That was the universe to him. Places that we all know were barely on the Internet, he felt was "The Browser War".
I thought the first browser war was Mosaic vs Netscape, but as many think the IMG tag is the first real salvo in the war, Cello vs Mosaic is probably the first war, IE vs Netscape being #3.
Anybody remember the various 3D browsers that would visualize site relationships? Apple's Hotsauce was the first one I remember, though it was more of a text based meta browser. Then there were a few graphical windowing attmepts.
The first images I remember seeing on the internet were the Clementine lunar photos, slowly rendered line by line:
And at one point nearly neighbours in N7 if I recall ;)
but I think everything on the site was actually posted sometime in 1994.
Unfortunately, the University of Utah recently deleted all alumni home directories and websites (I managed to save what I could). There were probably some fairly early pages up there.
They were originally on an ftp server and became available on the web in 1993 at:
This image dates back to 1996 when the EFF launched a campaign against the Communication Decency Act (CDA). Many of the pages across the internet turned their background images black in protest of the CDA. What remains of the CDA is today known as "Section 230".
Edit: Though the cult's mass suicide in March '97 is well remembered, according to Wikipedia there are former members that maintain the website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_gro...
Thank you for a new rabbit hole.
Or just the oldest image that's at the same link? Maybe on Gopher?
For the oldest working image hyperlink, OJ's trial is up there with Space Jam. Like Space Jam the links are internal, but clickable images -
Specificially, note the Netscape Now! image:
Interestinly enough, the Internet Archive has no record of the site.
I wonder how that got resolved, 24 and a third of a year later..
The page actually contains modern things like references to Google Analytics and Apple meta tags, but that could be because the archival tool keeps modernizing the site.
Edit: ok, looking for "Maria Korhosen katoamistapau" gives results from Amazon music and YouTube... looking for the person's name got me nowhere.
Also here, I don't think there's an image but this is the first website:
But alas, support for images hadn't been invented yet.
In academia, it's not uncommon for me to come across FTP directories with files that have been sitting there since the early 1990s.
The W3 consortium itself was only a month old at the time.