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I have suffered with thoracic outlet syndrome for almost 2 years. Countless physical therapy and deep tissue massages helped alleviate the pain but nothing seems to solve the root cause. I am 26 and the thought of not being able to use my hands to do something I have frightened the hell out of me.

That's when I stumbled upon John Sarno and his book "The mindbody prescription". I thought it's pseudoscience and I read it with very low expectations. And It's been almost four months since I have trouble using my computer.

In a nutshell, most of RSI injuries are not just physical problems and they are tightly coupled with your mind. The most important step is to acknowledge that subconscious thoughts related to pain and work along with it. Whenever I feel a tingling sensation, I yell at myself ( In my head ) that it's all in my mind and I have started to feel normal. Of course, this might not work for everyone but definitely worth a try.

And I also do lot of strength training and climbing which really helped strengthening my hands

100% think that all of us should know the technique that Dr. Sarno has discovered! I have had great success with neck, upper back/shoulder and lower back pain using the essence of what is going on here with pain.

The latest research I have had success with is based on Sarno's work and started with Dr. Schubiner's "Unlearn Your Pain" workbook and the "Unlearn Your Pain" podcast by Alan Gordon via Curable, plus all the Curable content has been GOLD for eliminating 90% of my pain so far. And I am at the tail end it it gets less and less every day (I can finally sleep through the night without having to move because of pain).

Life changing information here!!!

Some success stories using these techniques specifically on RSI and carpaltunnel are here:



And, the Seattle Repetitive Injury Support Team even states on their website > "we think we have finally found a cure for most RSI cases". http://www.satori.org/rist/

I once had a very severe case of insomnia I thought was caused by some medication.

It was such a difficult time for me, and after going through so many different solutions, I eventually discovered a book written by a Harvard doctor that had successfully stopped insomnia in hundreds of patients over several years.

Basically, he discovered that most insomnia is caused by belief. It becomes a vicious cycle that feeds into itself.

I didn't believe it at first. It seems so real, so profoundly difficult for me, but I was desperate and willing to try anything.

So I did. I followed the program precisely as laid out in the book. Made an Excel sheet and everything and gradually through cognitive behavioral therapy, I challenged the thoughts that I would never be able to successfully sleep again (along with careful measuring).

We tense up when we feel anxious. I can imagine that during times of great stress, the body reacts in certain ways that causes certain muscles to stay stuck or not heal, or even just have perceptional problems.

There's already a precedent for it with insomnia. It makes sense.

Thanks for the book recommendation.

Umm... book name would help.

Apologies. Here’s the book.

Say Good Night to Insomnia: The Six-Week, Drug-Free Program Developed At Harvard Medical School https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805089586/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_hS...

I think “say goodnight to insomnia” is most likely the one they mean.

I'm not so sure about this. My understanding is that RSI is caused by inflammation, and ignoring it will only make it worse, to the point of needing surgery. Although it sounds like you've been dealing with this longer, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

I see where you are coming from and I strongly suggest to try the conventional route to eliminate any serious physical problems before ending up here. My point is that RSI problems are not just physical but tightly coupled up with your mind. I wish someone can do a better job of explaining neuromuscular connection such that this won’t be pseudoscience anymore.

Unfortunately the conventional route can end up in unnecessary surgery and a hopeless cycle of disappointment. I would recommend trying this crazy-hard-to-believe (but is legit) route first, as there is no risk in learning about it and trying it. No drugs, no diet changes, no surgery etc. Just retraining the brain.

I recommend rsa25519 to give this a read, http://www.satori.org/rist/ (pasted below, keep in mind the cause is slightly out-of-date and not current thinking in this field, but the solution is the same)

> Welcome! The Seattle Repetitive Injury Support Team is a group of individuals who want to wipe out chronic Repetitive Strain Injuries (RSIs) such as tendinitis, thoracic outlet, and carpal tunnel. After many years of meeting to discuss treatment and coping approaches, share stories and ideas, listen to invited speakers and discuss good ergonomics, we are excited to announce that we think we have finally found a cure for most RSI cases! We know that sounds too good to be true, but please read on.

Over the years our members have tried just about everything to cure their RSI, yet we saw the same faces at meetings. People were finding coping mechanisms (massage therapy being the most recommended), but every month there we were, still in pain and not recovered -- and this went on for literally years.

Then, out of the blue, Nate McNamara contacted us about the approach he had used to cure his RSI problem. He graciously flew up to Seattle at his own expense to speak to our group. Here was someone who had been in the same situation as ourselves, and now was back to a normal, pain free life, even back working at a computer.

The essence of his approach was to recognize RSI as a form of TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome). TMS, coined by Dr. John Sarno to describe common back pain, has a variety of possible physical symptoms. The theory is that the subconscious discovers that by reducing blood flow to various body parts it can cause pain and achieve its goal of suppressing unwanted emotions (through distraction). Sarno talks about suppressed anger, but stress and other related emotions can be a huge factor. Once you are in pain, the fear of becoming permanently disabled produces a vicious circle of fear and pain.

RSI probably starts with a case of physical overuse, which leads to pain. Normally the body would heal within about 48 hours, but the subconscious, by reducing blood flow to the areas involved prolongs this. The pain and tightness are real, but the cause is not physical but mental. It's important to stress that the sufferer is completely unaware that the subconscious is causing the problems.

As you may have guessed, the treatment is not physical, but involves foremost becoming convinced that you just have TMS and not a physical problem. This liberates you from your fear of hurting yourself further. Stopping all other treatment is also important to prove to yourself that you really believe in this solution. Various visualization exercises can help change your subconscious reactions (since you don't have direct control over these).

Amazingly, some people recover within a few hours, but most take a few weeks or months.

After Nate's talk, a number of us began to take this mind-body approach to our RSI problems. The current score to our knowledge is three cured and one doing much better! That may not sound like much, but to our knowledge, no other treatment has cured any of our members, although it is certainly possible they just never let us know.

We followed up on Nate's talk with videos and meetings on this topic, but it's now been more than a year and we feel that most of our members aren't taking these important steps to cure themselves, for whatever reasons.

Therefore we have decided to stop meeting, and instead focus on a mentoring program where those who are pursuing the TMS approach assist others directly who also want to follow this treatment philosophy.

If you are interested in seriously pursuing this approach, please contact us. To be honest, we aren't sure how good we can mentor, but we feel that it's the best way to get people cured.

To start this approach do as much research as you can to truly convince yourself that you have TMS. See the recommended background information below. The Amir book is highly recommended for it's visualization exercises.

All we have is years of personal experience to go on here, but we really believe we have found a solution to RSI. Our challenge is to figure out how to turn this into large numbers of cases cured or prevented. If you can help in any way please contact us!

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