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Fuck You Sunday (fuckyousunday.com)
499 points by greatNespresso 9 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 356 comments



I love Monday's.... finally get a chance to do intellectual work.

Weekends are spent chasing the kids from the time I wake up until I go to sleep.


I really hope that this doesn't end up with being somehow a "cool" website.

Screw professionalism. Stay crappy and amateurish.

with love


As a mentor for a high school robotics club, I have learned the freeing joy of tinkering, as opposed to the engineering I have done my whole career. It's great to work with foamcore, X-acto knife, glue gun, little motors and electronics, and create something crappy and amateurish and _successful_.


It's kinda sad to see people that have incorrect expectations. It all stem from some geeks that love to code in their free time (my younger self too), then suddenly many employers or colleagues expect everyone to do the same. Then suddenly many programmers hate sunday.


Awesome. Now iterate and keep shipping and you’ll go a long long way. (^W Hacker News)


If I didn't know better, these could be my words. Extremely relatable.

I'd love an community of people fighting against this feeling, especially one that isn't filled with 'gurus'. I am not sure that can exist.


Torvalds' Just For Fun really inspired me. You should be having fun doing it.

Of course, fun is definitely relative. But, I believe that hacker-geeks find lots of fun building stuff.

In fact, I'll be bold enough to propose that if someone is having trouble with a side project, they might not be having enough fun doing it for it to be justifiable, and may need to do some soul-searching to find out whether they should continue with it.


Great. I just hope the author has no OCD, because there is a typo on that page ("shoudl"), which means that this side project turned into something with consequences.


I think the typo reinforces the message: don't worry about it being perfect; just do something.


Some of us (in the US) were spared today, tomorrow Veterans' day is being observed (it was today actually) and the office is closed. But yes, that's how it usually goes, after the short respite it starts over and it goes like that the whole year with a 2-3 weeks break. But I should consider myself lucky even if I don't like this ballance, others either work 7/7 or 0/7.


Veteran's Day is November 11th, just FYI.


Thank you for the correction. But I'm still off tomorrow so this weekend felt a bit more generous than usual.


Columbus Day :)


Yes. Big blunder on my part!


This looks like something I would have totally dismissed 2 years ago and something that I would write myself in 2 years from now...


Hey...This is great.

I have this kind of 'fuck everything' moment from time to time. It's satisfying but not last long because the lack of further plan. Still miles better than scrolling through reddit or reading gurus advices all days without taking any action though.

I know I should make this 'spur of anger' a routine, but seriously, fuck routine for once, too.


Is there a term for Techie FOMO?

Fear Of Not Capitalizing? FONC


The book "Missing Out: In Praise of the Unlived Life" by Adam Phillips is a bit dry, but helped me to overcome a lot of my feelings of FOMO. Around the same time I read that, I also purged all of my social media accounts. My anxiety has gone down since then.


Can you make "FUNC" work? Seems apt.


Fear of Under-Capitalizing


There seems to be alot of people who "want to build something" but don't. What's that about - I don't really get it?

I work hard on my software ideas.

I can absolutely understand if you simply don't have time - work/kids/family/friends/health etc.

But if you do have time and instead procrastinate - that's a mystery to me. I'd like to say "just do the work" but I think that would be missing the point somehow.

I made a definite decision a while back I'd rather do something with my life than play endless hours of computer games or TV/Netflix watching. I absolutely do watch TV and play computer games but it's at the very end of the day when my brain won't do any more productive work.


Aside from tiredness, in my experience procrastination is primarily about fear. On a very deep level, I'm scared of feelings and realities that I know I'll have to confront by doing the work. Feelings like "I don't know how to do this" and "what I've made actually sucks and was a huge waste of time".


Cognitive load is a bitch when someone is staring down the barrel of burnout. Kids or not.


This right here. When you overloaded with a lots of things, it will take toll on your body and mind eventually. You know what's good, but you just can't bring yourself to 'just' do it. It's not fun at all.

I personally found radical change help in this case.


I think it’s an absolutely insane idea that you’re supposed to use five days of the week working, and then the remaining two working on something else. Weekends are for resting and recovery.


It used to be six and a half. It became five because a bunch of people were smart enough to figure out their bosses weren't their friends, and fought for a shorter workweek (also reducing unemployment and increasing the value of each worker). We've gotten lazy, collectively speaking, and the bosses have crept it back up to five-plus-some-extras.

Five is still ridiculous, though. There's so much waste in the system these days; the world would run fine on a three-day week.

It's time for working people to get fighting again.


It used to be six and a half until higher farm yields and productivity gains from automation produced enough surplus to even allow for less. From the dawn of urban civilization until well into the industrial revolution there was barely enough food to keep the population alive. Even if the bosses had been nicer about it that wouldn't have kept people from starving.

Yes I am aware that early hunter gatherers worked fewer hours per week and generally had better diets. But that lifestyle wasn't sustainable after the human population expanded.


At least in Judaism, all forms of labour, including domestic labour, has been strictly banned on Saturday, for centuries at least. They managed to survive alright.

More to the point, a recent series of history blog posts discussed this question, and it seems like for most of the population, the food supply was not really limited by labour but rather by food storage ability and land area productivity (which is different). For much of the year aside from during the harvest, there was a lot of leisure time (even if people were starving, that wasn't something that harder work would necessarily solve).

https://acoup.blog/2020/07/24/collections-bread-how-did-they...


Livestock require care 7 days a week, even by the frum.


It was 'on the farm' on 'your own terms' before the industrialized revolutions, may have included some Sunday work.

But the number of hours worked rose quite a lot during the Industrial revolution in the mines and factories, this was 'peak work'.

Some data points [1].

[1] http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_w...


This, but I want to emphasize: “fought” is literal here, at least in terms of employers’ response. The reality is that the notion that we even get to decide whether to rest on weekends or labor is entirely owed to the fact that people who came before us got literally killed to pave the way.


I would be fine working six and a half days per week. Given a full work day was considered to be 2 hours.


I couldn't believe that a "work day" was ever 2 hours, so I looked it up.

https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/84600/how-many-hours-d...

That says 3-5, and it was a long time ago.


My comment was meant to convey conditionality. As in I would happily work those days if I had those hours.

Thanks for the interesting link. If I only worked 2 hours a day on a computer, I would likely spend my free time on hunter-gatherer-gardener-cook tasks. Perhaps art and science as well.


The basic idea is that many people can't really get ahead on their salary. And people like me are wasting most of their energy building wealth for other people.

So building a product or service seems like a primary way to get control of my life and stop putting all of my effort to benefit someone else.

The weekend is usually the only opportunity to do it.

If I could quit my job and have someone give me a bunch of seed money for my project then I would. That's not going to happen. I don't have the connections or charisma and even if I had it, they are just research ideas right now.

So for me it's very sane to spend time on the weekends working on my project and I do feel guilty when I don't put enough time into it. Because I just know that I need to build my own thing if I am going to have financial security.


Probably team up with someone with connections and charisma else you build it and they just don't come and nor are you the kind of person to go out and get them to come and the whole thing goes nowhere and your productive weekends were all just a waste.

Source: experience


And building relationships with people not computers.


My secret tip for getting side projects completed is red wine aha


Comedian Steve Hughs on Work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJrsAIhoEo


To the person, somewhere near Paris: Congratulations! :-)


Thanks a LOT


Fuck that.

So many better things to do or think about on your time off. Read a good book. Climb a mountain. Hang out with friends/family. You know, live.


I decided to build a website that scraped data from wikipedia to tell me whether Kim Jong-Un was still alive. It contains a very basic index.html, a python script to scrape wikipedia on a cron hourly, and store the result in a file, which my flask app serves to the index.html.

I served my index.html on netlify which setup https, but I wasn't able to get an nginx server up and running to setup a https connection to the server, so the browser is complaining. Alas, it was a fun Friday night project. Coffee and Python, a solid duo.


Look, if you're happy working for Initech for the rest of your life, then no, you probably don't need side projects.


I work 3, 12 hour days with 4 days off. If you can get it, it's amazing.


Do you do 3 days at a stretch, or is it punctuated with your off days?


how? What does your schedule look like?


I would love to start a micro-SaaS but I can’t think of any good ideas.


Absolutely tired of weekends.


This misses the point of Sunday though.


<3


On HN, a simple show of affection and emotional recognition for something personal someone shared is a Bad Contribution. Y’all this is ridiculous.


“You don’t hate Mondays, you hate capitalism”


That's a bit of a stretch. I think the more accurate phrase is “You don’t hate Mondays, you probably just hate your job”.


I don't know why you were downvoted for this. It's utterly true. The birds and the trees don't hate Mondays. Babies don't hate Mondays. It's a learned behavior.


Sure, but it has nothing to do with Capitalism (other than Capitalism giving us two days off a week rather than 0). I'm sure the good people of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union didn't enjoy going to work again after a few days off.


People in the Soviet Union, in general, took a high degree of pride in their work.

Don't get me wrong. There was a lot wrong with the USSR, especially under Stalin. And since they didn't have a tradition of democracy and free speech in Russia, it wasn't a good place for dissidents. For most people, though, they did a much better job of lining people up with positions and careers suiting their wants and talents than our "work for rich people or you starve" system does.

Capitalism is a system that runs on human misery, led by a class of people who are completely unaccountable to anyone but themselves, who therefore have no incentive to make things decent for the workers.


People in the Soviet Union had to work Saturdays and were also obligated to participate in community activities.


As I said, the Soviet Union wasn't perfect.

If I were to live in 1970, either in the US or the USSR, I would have picked the US, no contest. Back then, capitalism actually worked. If you wanted a job, you looked a CEO up in the phone book, called him, and got one. You'd literally get every promotion if you worked two honest hours per day. It ain't like that anymore.

In 2020, capitalism sucks. There are basically no opportunities unless you inherit the connections. (I anticipate downvotes from 20-year-olds who've just read Ayn Rand and think her writing reflects how the world really works.) Would communism have degraded just as fast? It's hard to say. I doubt it, but we'll never know, since we destroyed it.


> Capitalism is a system that runs on human misery,

The last two capitalistic organizations I've worked for, all my co-workers were cheery, friendly, helpful, and enjoyed their jobs. The people frustrated were the ones that did their jobs as good as they could and were frustrated by a lack of excellence in the face of large scale and complexity. I wouldn't call this misery. And one of those companies was literally rated the most hated corporation in America. I've also worked for places were people were lazy, bureaucratic, and did the least work possible to collect their paycheck (heck I was that person). Ultimately corporations are made up of people, and there's all different kinds of people out there, so there's also all different kinds of corporations.

> led by a class of people who are completely unaccountable to anyone but themselves, who therefore have no incentive to make things decent for the workers.

They're accountable to shareholders and government regulatory bodies, and in very rare circumstances, to unions. Certainly there should be more accountability within the organization from the bottom-up, but it's fallacious to think they don't answer to anybody. The actual incentives vary, but usually stem from either competition, or seeking to drive quality and efficiency. Business management is more art than science.


> People in the Soviet Union, in general, took a high degree of pride in their work.

Have you lived in the Soviet Union? I haven't, but have in Communist Poland which had similar work culture. In general, people were slacking off and stealing from the job to the largest extent possible (stealing because the jobs didn't pay a living wage or, if they did, you couldn't buy things you need from stores anyway, so you stole them from the job if possible). The organization of work was often a complete travesty which makes government jobs a paragon of efficiency and common sense. [1] On top of that, higher promotions required being vocal about supporting the communist party, which led to incompetent mediocrities being promoted.

Overall, while I'm sure there were stil some people who took pride in their work (esp. the less smart and informed ones, who couldn't see the sad bigger picture), I can't tell if it was more common than in capitalism.

[1] For example, it wasn't uncommon for people who bought a new car to take it to a mechanic to disassemble and reassemble it completely. Only then you could be sure that the car is put together properly - the workers in the factory who worked on the car just didn't care. Another story - in an apartment in a new building my parents bought in 1979, a 1m x 3m section of the wall was missing. The building company just didn't bother to build it (the same defect was present in all flats), and have put a thin wall of plaster and cardboard in place instead. Of course, that wall provided almost zero thermal insulation in severe winters that Poland had at the time, so everyone who bought these flats ended up DIY-ing the missing wall themselves (usually with stolen bricks, as you couldn't buy them either).


If you're referring to Stakhanovite, they were just propaganda workers supported by the communist party with the best tools, hence why the increased productivity. They were meant to motivate / allow the communist regime to extort more work out of workers.


So...HR?


Yeah... Yeah I remember how much better everything was under Stalin.

...not?


> I don't know why you were downvoted for this

On HN everybody is a temporarily embarrassed billionaire.

See "Internalised capitalism" - when you feel guilty for resting:

https://preview.redd.it/5smjp4d0dzr51.jpg?width=743&auto=web...

Let's see how many downvotes I get


I downvoted you not because of the linked image, which I agree with, but with your generalization that "everybody on HN is a temporarily embarrased billionaire." I can tell you I'm certainly not; I'm just a guy earning a salary like many people here, trying to figure out how to make my life more peaceful and meaningful.

Don't sink too far into those depths.


Remember folks: you don't hate Mondays, you hate capitalism.


Treat every day like it’s monday or Friday and forget the notions of weekends except as a vessel to do more things


I tried this, but for some reason daycare wouldn't let me drop off my kids this morning.


So somebody made a simple page about how they feel about Sunday without even putting in some effort to give solutions or details, and it should hit the HN front page? Seems like a simple Tell HN would suffice.


Not everything has to have a purpose. If you're looking for solutions or life hacks, there are millions of SEO-d to death pages and self proclaimed gurus out there that peddle such things.

Personally I utterly relate to what the author is trying to express - so I heave a wry chuckle and after a momentary rush of kinship with the author sitting at his keyboard thousands of miles away, I move on. And what is HN if not a community of individuals sharing a connection.


He has more product here than 75% of YC-funded startups have on Demo Day.


Doesn't matter. I'm talking about the lack of content in this webpage, regardless of who created it.


I think that's the point. The author has no solutions and is simply expressing frustration at a situation that many people can relate to.


But somehow was able to get a job? Who are these people who have the creativity to get a job, but none to work on a project.

I will never understanding this perspective of being in a great position and not having to worry about money while being apathetic toward the entire situation.


I agree. I hate it when some successful people try to tell others to not do certain things, while those things were exactly the reason behind their success. They just come across as dishonest tbh.


Many burnt out people can muster just enough enthusiasm to pass an interview.


It's your comment that made me realize this hit the frontpage so thanks a lot




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