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I didn't notice any arguing from authority. He claims to observe a pattern of rejectionism (for want of a better word) developing in the culture and argues that this is bad for adoption. Either could be wrong, but neither relies on authority.

If Hickey has a clear vision for his language he should certainly go for it. But I agree with Yegge that if the culture takes a turn toward you're-doing-it-wrong purism, its growth will suffer.

(As an aside, Yegge has achieved something noteworthy in language marketing: his writings about programming languages have a large following. Perhaps he exaggerates his influence, but for better or worse it's non-negligible.)




I feel obliged to quote Adam Chlipala of Ur/Web fame:

I also want to emphasize that I'm not trying to maximize adoption of Ur/Web. Rather, I'm trying to maximize the effectiveness of people who do choose to use it. This means that I'm completely happy if basic features of Ur/Web mean that 90% of programmers will never be able to use it.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ur@impredicative.com/msg00327.ht...

I think that "rejectionism" could be quite justified. And I think that Adam point is applicable here.

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"Either could be wrong, but neither relies on authority."

Since Yegge provides no evidence, and a lot of criticism of the current culture of Clojure, I must assume he is relying on his authority to make his case. There's nothing else to back up any of his assertions. It's either argument from authority, or argument for the sake of argument with no rhyme or reason at all. While argument from authority is weak, it'll convince a few people who think he has authority to speak on the subject.

But, his arguments are clearly not technical. He makes no case for why those languishing patches deserve to be in Clojure...just that they exist, and that's enough for him to believe they have merit.

"As an aside, Yegge has achieved something noteworthy in language marketing: his writings about programming languages have a large following. Perhaps he exaggerates his influence, but for better or worse it's non-negligible."

I don't disagree. I enjoyed Yegge's blog immensely over the years. But, talking loud on a blog, and building a language community aren't necessarily the same skills. I see people suggesting he had some hand in Python's rise to it's current position of importance, but I was a Python developer before Yegge started talking about it, on a major Open Source project...Python was doing just fine. It was actually entirely news to me that Yegge had anything to do with the Python community, in fact (it's been a few years since I was working in Python, so I haven't followed it since). Python made Python popular, not Yegge.

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