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johnthedebs 1109 days ago | link | parent

I haven't developed on iOS but I remember reading someplace that when an app is loading it can display an image of what it looked like when the user most recently left it, in order to give the appearance of loading more quickly. I think it was one of Marco Arment's blog posts, but his site isn't available right now.

Anyway I also don't have an iPhone 4, but FaceTime for OS X shows the camera view whenever it's on so that you can see yourself whenever starting a call. I imagine FaceTime for iOS does something similar.

If you combine those two things, you get one possible explanation for what's going on. One that's pretty benign, but should probably still be avoided because it obviously spooks users. Oh, and it should probably be at the API level so that the last thing an app saves is never camera data.



monochromatic 1109 days ago | link

That's not what's going on here. Some of the pictures that it's been showing me have come from times that I definitely wasn't using facetime (one was from while I was driving, even). Something is triggering it to take a picture, but it's not facetime.

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sudont 1109 days ago | link

I've got a cheap Samsung phone that takes phantom photos too. Why I'm not worried?

A: It's front-facing, so it's never of me.

B: The phone is completely worthless, so it never takes decent photos anyways. (Generally of my pocket.)

The only reason people are spooked is that Apple has higher expectations (also, tribal instinct). My buddy's Nexus phone module will crash constantly, requiring a reboot before use of the camera. His response: "Eh, whatever."

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runjake 1109 days ago | link

This is exactly why I left the Android world. These kinds of engineering blunders were acceptable to vendors.

Apple's no golden child, as this bug demonstrates, but they're orders of magnitude better. HTC probably would've just let it be, in all honesty.

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stanleydrew 1109 days ago | link

Let's not drag this discussion into an Android bash-fest please.

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monochromatic 1108 days ago | link

Agreed, this is an Apple bash-fest. Stay on topic folks.

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sudont 1108 days ago | link

Other than saying my friend is a casual user of Android, I see nothing in my statement that bashes either Apple or Android. (Samsung, on the other hand...)

Apparently one camp or the other is fairly touchy.

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mpakes 1109 days ago | link

The built-in Mail app does this (stored screenshot of current app state), but 3rd-party apps do not have this ability.

3rd-party apps can display a single static image (default.png) on boot. It is common for this image to be a screenshot of the UI without any content (e.g. nav bar, toolbars, but no buttons or data) in order to give the impression of a faster/more-progressive loading process.

I don't know how it is implemented under the hood, but Facetime on iOS does not appear to be a separate app (from the user perspective, at least). Someone who has jailbroken their phone and inspected the filesystem may be able to speak to this point more directly.

Fast app switching, depending on memory availability, does sometimes freeze an app and save state to stable storage. It's possible that this is a source of the rogue image data. A quick test with Instagram suggests that the camera is disabled when an app is "backgrounded." Perhaps Apple's built-in apps (e.g. Phone, Facetime) behave differently.

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praeclarum 1109 days ago | link

FYI, you don't need to jailbreak your phone to see what apps are on your phone or what they're doing. Just load up Instruments.app

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chadgeidel 1108 days ago | link

Is this something built-in or on the app store? I can't find it on my iPhone (v.latest) or on the store.

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throw_away 1108 days ago | link

it's an app that comes with xcode. you start it on your mac and attach it to your iphone & it will show you things like activity monitor does, but for your phone.

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chadgeidel 1107 days ago | link

Thanks - I'll check that out.

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olivercameron 1109 days ago | link

Apps created outside of Apple and in the App Store have no way to change what graphic is shown when the app is launching. You can display a static image (Default.png), but that cannot be dynamically modified later.

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wylie 1109 days ago | link

This is irrelevant. The bug happens specifically while using Facetime, an Apple app, so it might be feasible for it to set the last image as the launch image. Also, Apple is notorious for using undocumented APIs in their own apps.

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ugh 1109 days ago | link

It would be nice if someone could look into the iPhone's exact behavior in this regard. The FaceTime app on the new iPad doesn't seem to save an actual camera image with the screenshot on quitting. The UI comes up but the whole screen is just dark for a split second before it displays the live camera image. This is true whether you quit the app explicitly or just quickly close it and come back.

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phil 1109 days ago | link

This does happen: iOS writes a snapshot of the screen when an app moves to the background. You can notice that when you open an app that you ran recently and a stale, slightly artifacted screen appears briefly before updating. That's the snapshot.

But this is at the OS level, an app has no control over it, and it's irrelevant for the whole camera thing.

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roc 1109 days ago | link

> "I haven't developed on iOS but I remember reading someplace that when an app is loading it can display an image of what it looked like when the user most recently left it"

He noted that was a trick the built-in apps use, that third party apps cannot. IIRC it was in the context of wishing that third party developers were allowed to do the same thing.

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there 1109 days ago | link

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/09/hacker-says-sec/

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