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furthermore, calling for citations is primarily an expression of disbelief, not a furthering of discussion.

either the argument was indeed faulty, in which case the responder should call out the weakness directly, or the responder has no specific objection but wants simply to object. it's lazy and should be discouraged (e.g., downvoted). another lazy response is providing links without summarizing the linked content, but i digress.

citations can buttress but never make an argument.

this of course is different from the memes that the author seems to be targeting, which don't make sound arguments in the first place, and no citation will make them rational. it's best to simply ignore those.




Why is expressing disbelief less furthering of discussion than citation-free expression of belief?


because in the first instance, all you're saying is "prove it", implying that the prior reasoning was deficient without specifying the insufficiency. that's vague, lazy, and ultimately unproductive/stifling. at least point out the deficiency, thus furthering the discussion.

the counter is not a non-furthering "citation-free expression of belief", but rather a rationale, a chain of observations leading to a reasonable conclusion, which can largely stand on its own and also furthers the discussion.


A full rationale is a nice ideal, but if you don't have time to research and compose a full rationale, silence is not always the best alternative.


agreed, no one expects footnoted essays in discussion forums, but just saying "prove it" is lazy and no rationale at all. folks have to put some effort in to further the discussion. they shouldn't expect a response otherwise.


Memes can be used for disinformation, so sharing only what you can verify makes you a good citizen.




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