While I'm sure AMD's latest high-core count chips may be giving us new cheaper options, high priced Macs have typically been reasonably priced for their specs.
More recently when the 27" 5K iMacs came out, I looked at the price of a 27" 5K IPS DCI-P3 monitor on Dell... it was only $100 less than the iMac, despite the Mac having a full computer in it, in addition to the display. People still complained that they were expensive.
The FirePro D700 used in the Mac Pro was essentially a rebadged consumer card. (It's surprising, but none of the GPUs in the Mac Pro officially supported ECC.) Instead of two FirePro W9000 cards ($6800), they should have specified two HD7970 6GB cards ($1200).
- 2x Xeon Platinum 8280 (28 Cores each, 2.7 - 4.0 GHz)
- 2x 768 GB ECC DDR4 Memory (6x128GB per CPU, 1.5TB total)
- 1x 2TB NVME drive
- 1x 28TB SSD
- 4x Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (11 GB, 4352 CUDA Cores each)
- $ 53,356
I've never used either or anything remotely close to either that or the mac pro, so I could be missing something, but the system76 seems like much better value than the fully maxed Mac Pro at $ 53,899
Back in 2008/9, I bought about 300 cheese graters at a net savings of about $180k vs other workstations if memory serves. It was a happy coincidence that our need matched Apple’s config.
Also, nothing will every justify a $1k monitor desk mount.
I am still very surprised vast majority people dont know how to compare. And that is why branding and marketing matters.
I used to be furious at marketing. They are always hype and spin. But the older I get the more appreciate I have for it. Not because I agree with them now, but generally speaking consumers just aren't very good at judging values and knowing what they want. Marketing helps that, and push things forward.
That's why :-)
Sony can sell 1080p, 60hz monitors with 5ms response time for $3k because their colour accuracy, colour space support and panel uniformity are unparalleled outside of that price bracket.
Consider https://pro.sony/en_AU/products/broadcastpromonitors/lmd-a24... and https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029229-REG/sony_lmda... , Sony doesn't even list the pixel response time because it's not important for the market.
Are you arguing that Kia is also a luxury brand? Or are you arguing that luxury brands aren't a thing? I honestly can't tell.
I have never thought that. I would expect better parts from MSI.
P.S. I miss the ridiculous Alienware XP themes .
Not like...a desirable luxury brand to me even though I am a professional game developer, but it is a luxury brand.
He was looking at one of the few available remotely comparable display.
Pretax cost as configured: $51,999
Cost fully maxed out: $53,948
BTW, this refurbished Mac Pro represents a savings of 15% off of $51,999.
A little voice in the back of my head wondered... are these really used machines?
I thought this because a lot of new products on amazon have a fixed MSRP, but the same product used can be lower, so folks sell "used" products at a discount that still have all the shrink wrap.
If there's a wrong transaction with a credit card, the company will 99.99% of the time immediately take your side, and all you have to do is click dispute, and the money is instantly credited to your account.
With a debit card, in the past I have had to go through a week or so long process to get fradulent charges removed.
Plus other benefits, there are perks like automatically extended warranty on purchases like this one (amex), and all sorts of discounts.
Amex it is.
I think the video's conclusion is spot on -- blindly comparing specs isn't really helpful for judging real world usability of hardware that is this high end. You should get the specific resources matched to your workload. That might be a Mac Pro, it might be a server in a closet with a TB of RAM, or it might be a PC with a couple of Quadros in it. Or maybe it's just a netbook with a Celeron :)
Are you arguing that no one needs >256G of memory? Or are you arguing that no one needs ECC memory? Or are you arguing that server chips and motherboards shouldn't exist? Or is your complaint that Apple sells a workstation? Or maybe you think workstations should be illegal?
Should car makers only sell cars that you, personally, would like to buy? Should all manufacturers only sell things that you personally find useful? And if you don't find this computer useful how valuable is it for 100 people to chime in to say that? (IMHO opinion polls are better suited to that level of commentary.)
> I doubt the workload they put on things used that much memory
All anecdata to the contrary some workloads do in fact benefit from obscene amounts of memory. And if you've ever looked into it supporting >1TB of memory requires expensive dense memory modules because there are only so many memory busses on the chip and only so many sockets you can put on a bus.
For context, I'm working in cloud infrastructure. Due to customer demand (esp. from customers with large in-memory DBs), our newest set of ultra-large VM flavors goes up to 3 and 6 TiB RAM. I'm not directly involved with compute, but from what I gather, it's an interesting challenge esp. on the operations side. You can migrate a 4 GiB VM in a pinch if the hypervisor is looking bad. Migrating a 6 TiB VM, however, takes a substantial amount of time (22 minutes if you have a 40 Gbps link and can saturate it, which you usually can't).
My complaint is the testing methodology. Server vs server is a different problem/requirements. They compared a workstation and then built a workstation with memory requirements that were more common to a server class machine. I suspect a cheaper 'non-server' CPU, with a memory footprint that was more typical for a workstation load, a cheaper option would have held up. One of the likely reasons they gimped the threadripper was to ensure it did not compete with the epic product line.
As for the questions: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. :)
You can probably replace some of these with consumer grade parts, but I'll be impressed if you can create a machine with two titans, 28 cores, and 1.5tB of memory for under $10k.
That said I did not downvote you; it’s an understandable frustration.
I give it 5 years at the most.
Interesting -- didn't realize FPGAs were commonly used in graphics development flows. Does anyone know what software is used to customize the FPGA to accelerate tasks in macOS?
Part of the logic here is that if you're only gonna sell 20000 units, it's probably better to just slap an FPGA in there than build out a fully custom board with a bunch of dedicated chips. The FPGA is easier to update after release, too.
And I don't think you as the end user or third party programmer are given any options to customize it.
Did someone buy this and then not find it good enough?
Did someone want to test it and then get their money back?
Was something broken?
This is an expensive machine, comparable in price to a nice, new car. I'd want a history report if I were buying this.
That might be just enough time to render your student film.
Of course, I say "only" when that difference alone is nearly 16× the amount of RAM I have in this here Threadripper rig on which I'm typing this comment.
Knoppix, damn small Linux, puppy Linux, slax, and a few, even older, firewalls and router distros that existed (exist?)
Note: for anyone wondering why it's so expensive, look at the amount of RAM it has
Express delivery to my location is an additional $8.
EDIT: Ninja’d like 5 times over. I see I wasn’t the only one that rushed to figure out what kind of discount the buyer is getting on this.
The new Mac Pro is not even shipped, it's basically obsolete now. Or in two years, if Apple keeps their promise.
Reliability doesn’t necessarily play a role here at all. For some users, the trash can Mac Pro did not meet their needs. The 2019 Mac Pro is a completely different beast. The last machine I’d argue that was comparable was the 1st generation, which no longer supported the most recent versions of macOS.
It's surprising that there are enough of those kinds of use cases to justify an entire production of a product like this. Something about the depth of certain markets being way bigger than they appear.
It seems that once you have the kind of money to be getting those items, you would want to get it new and customized exactly how you want it.
The processor is around $3,150.
The Afterburner is not available for Linux at any price. It only contributes $2,000 to the price anyway.
The AMD Pro Vega II is not available for purchase. Finding an equivalent card would require substantial amounts of guesswork. The only recent GPUs I can find with 32GB are around $7,000. The configuration has two of them.
You're up to $27k by this point and you don't have a computer yet, and I'm not so sure that the equipment above is comparable.
> 1.5 TB DDR4 ECC Ram
This isn’t gonna cost less than 20k.
> Compatible with Mac Pro (current generation)
PCI Express x16 card
> Accelerates ProRes and ProRes RAW codec in Final Cut Pro X, QuickTime Player X, and supported third-party applications
> Supports playback of up to 6 streams of 8K ProRes RAW or up to 23 streams of 4K ProRes RAW
So if there’s an NVIDIA card that does all that, great, happy to hear it. I heard Adobe Premiere was recently updated to support the Afterburner as well so hopefully it also works with NVIDIA’s equivalent.
Like, there are only two GPU manufacturers left in the world, and requisite macOS driver for the bigger and better one, flat out don’t exist.
Only in cases where reprogramming capability or lack of initial cost of production make sense FPGA is used.
64 gig DDR4 modules cost ~$300 
128 gig DDR4 server modules can cost as little as ~$800 
8x64 = 0.5 TB of DDR4 ram = 8300 = $2,400
16x128 = 1.5 TB of DDR4 ram = 16800 = $12,800