I will be interested to see how they communicate this to prevent first time iPhone users being left without a charging cable/power brick.
I am willing to bet money the overwhelming majority consumer dont have USB-C chargers, only USB-A.
I dont think that is likely. Outside of tech circle, most have never even touched a USB-C Cable. Especially those only uses iPhone, and not iPad or Mac. There are 1 Billion iPhone users, and only 100M Mac users ( And not every Mac users has a USB-C Mac ).
Not saying it is a bad thing. Most would already have a USB-A to Lightning Cable along with Charger so this doesn't matter. USB4 will be USB-C only anyway, but the move is certainly unApple as they tend to plan this in the very long run. Like including a USB-C 5W Charger for a few years before completely dropping it.
Only if the charger price is deduced from the phone’s price or you can opt in to get one for free if you need it. Otherwise it’s very obviously screwing up consumers to optimize earnings once again.
I don't use Apple products, but reducing waste like this is great. Most people should have buckets of chargers by now, and even if they lack the cable, it's better to buy when needed.
For reference, most USB-C phones currently ship with USB-A chargers, just like Apple didn't ship the iPad with the big USB-C charger when it was released.
But, the point is that you don't need that many wallwarts, and they're wasteful. When your laptop, game console and whatever all use the same power supply, you end up only needing one or two.
> and they've done quite a lot of work to lock out unofficial ones.
Apple is fully complaint and interoperable in their current offerings (I recall HP locked out foreign chargers, but I hope they stopped that).
My wife's MacBook Pro is fully compatible with my Nintendo Switch, Dell, CalDigit and other USB-PD chargers and type-C cables, just like my Android phone, Dell XPS 13, Nintendo Switch, and more can charge from her chargers and cables.
Compare that to a few years ago where all these products had proprietary chargers...
1: No, the Nintendo Switch and PSU is not dangerous, and work fine with all USB-PD devices. The problem is when the dock is in play, where everything goes whack, and third-party docks can cause issues there.
2. The "oh no, cables and ports are all different" isn't a problem, despite what HN/reddit wants you to believe. Super cheap, super thin USB-C cables aren't rated for TB3/100W charge, but that's a surprise to no one. Plug anything into a decently rated power supply and cable, and it'll just work.
I'm not particularly rough with them, just plug them in a couple times a day at my desk or bed.
Sometimes my girlfriend's iPhone uses my charger as well, which can seem to expedite their failure. We have one which chargers hers fine, but only mine when plugged in a specific side up.
Finally got her a Qi charger, as her iPhone 10 supports it. Solves part of the issue.
Yes, I should have clarified that. I don't have any USB-C cables either, for that matter. My chargers only put out 18 W at the most, so things like PD (Power Delivery) wouldn't work anyway.
It's really nice to just have one PD charger in my bag for everything.
Sure, but if they do have a USB C charger, is it the right voltage?
Are you saying lightning changes this?
Allow me to personally offer to take any off the hands of anyone who feels they have too many.
But honestly they have no excuse to not adopt Micro-USB or USB-C.
I expect Apple knows its customers would like to have confidence about this and that’s why they are holding off.
With Lightning, I have been happy enough to plug into various non-Apple-brand chargers with USB-A sockets. Maybe charging might not be as fast as with an official charger. But it will likely work and I don’t expect the possibility of damage.
For one thing, this article claims Apple will ship a Lightning to USB-C cable - so the phone will need to accept whatever voltages that come out of USB C chargers anyway.
Second, Apple have adopted USB C on the Macbook - which would make no sense if they were scared of USB C frying devices. And they didn't go in cautiously on the macbook: They were one of the earliest adopters, and they dropped magsafe and USB A as they did it.
So I'm with Cthulhu_ - I don't see any good reason for Apple to stick with Lightning, except licensing fees.
So that’s their “excuse”, and I’m glad for it every time I have to interact with a micro-USB cable.
Well, first of all, lighting predates usb-c by a few years, so it’s an advantage that we thankfully haven’t had to endure micro-USB in that time.
Then, lightning is a male connector which makes it more robust, compared to the female connector in USB-C. I’ve had multiple USB-C cables break when inserted a bit too aggressively, which has not ever happened in my years of using lightning.
There just isn’t a “wrong way to hold” the lightning connector, which isn’t quite the case with USB-C, in my experience.
And I don’t think lightning cables wearing out has anything to do with the standard and everything to do with Apples poor lightning cables.
I also can’t see how people think USBC is more robust. There is a tiny little wafer in the port... I get nervous just looking at it. At least with a lightning port it’s large enough to get something in there and clean it out. USBC just looks so delicate.
God forbid people acknowledge Apple’s proprietary design is better...
Would you rather break a $10 cable or a $800 phone? I'd much rather the cable, though you seem to have different priorities to me.
The last point is referring to the cable tip? That's more to do with individual cable design than anything else.
So, it's not really better in any way, except for being on Apple devices, gotcha.
So all else equal, USB-C is objectively the better design.
The only reason for usb-c on my phone is the convenience factor. Otherwise I find lightening superior in every other way. And micro-usb, you have to be kidding.
Lightning is smaller than USB-C.
I recently had to buy three expensive aftermarket chargers because we just didn't have enough OEM ones in the house.
With 5G, Qualcomm Modem, 5nm SoC, these are all but confirmed. Even if we are ignoring the possibility of mmWave Antenna, ProMotion OLED, FaceID 2.0. I would be happily surprised if they dont raise entry level iPhone Pro price by a $100.
IIRC, HTC had a similar idea 5-6 years ago, but they would give you a charger for free if you asked them.
Few people need yet another lightning / micro-usb / usb-c cable and charger.
They do. But please note that Apple does this after years of pressure from EU and are one of the last companies to do so.
So please don't make them into some kind of champions for the environment.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. When exactly did the EU ask Apple not to include the charger in the box?
I’m very doubtful of this claim.
"Since 2009, the European Commission has been trying to convince tech companies to adopt a single charging method for our gadgets, primarily smartphones, in a quest to reduce the waste that comes when every new gadget you buy includes yet another AC adapter in the box. Now, Apple’s Lightning connector may be at risk."
And yet Apple could avoid implementing micro/usb-c (or the standard EU-Smart-device charger hm-hmm) etc since 11 Years and nothing happened...thanks EU for your strong fist and small mouth.
The EU explicitly stated the goal was to reduce e-waste, and the only way to do that is by not shipping a new charger with every phone.
Apple avoided all this by providing USB-lightning converters. This follows the letter of law but produces even more waste. Eventually EU decided they had enough and threatened to fine Apple.
Yes so you dont have two incompatible chargers when apple decides to change the plug again...that's when it started, that was 2009.
Am I being cynical if I believe that essentially everybody would take it, even if they didn’t really have a need for one?
Just how many pairs of AirPods is the average Apple fan going to go through in their lives. These things are going to be rotting away in landfills and washing up on beaches for multiple generations after their wearers are dead.