1. If it is shipping with Android 8 - an old version of Android. What are the chances that it will ever see any updates?
2. My wife would have been the target audience for this form factor - pre Apple Watch. Her phone is her least favorite device. She will leave it in the car in a heartbeat. She won’t think twice if she leaves at home.
But now, she has a cellular Apple Watch and AirPods with a third party ear clip. She doesn’t have to carry any phone.
3. The battery life is atrocious. Even the Apple Watch has better battery life for normal day to day use.
4. I seriously doubt it has 16GB of memory - the cellular Apple Watch does. That’s more than enough for local music playback without using cellular.
5. This is the Zune of phones to me. But, yes I realize that the cheapest entry point to our setup - phone + Watch is $800 if we did get A cheaper headset. With AirPods it would be $959.
However, if I pick up a 2 year old Windows/Mac computer or iOS device, I can still run the latest OS.
I switched to an Android from iPhone when Galaxy Note 1 came out.
Apple did not have the audacity or innovation to release a phone with a large screen. Over time, every Android manufacturer except Google and BlackBerry proceeded to let me down with out of date security patches, if any at all.
Samsung makes some of the very best devices, but pushing 6 month old patches as a current update doesn’t fly. Projects like LineageOS have made inroads too.
I'd buy a Galaxy Note in a heartbeat if it ran Android One.
My hope is every manufacturer uses Android One distribution, Android has come far enough that the UI modifications/customizations aren’t as critical as they used to be. I’ll only consider a Pixel or Android One device moving forward if I don't end up on an iPhone.
Still, I’m typing this on an iPad, and have been on Mac for over a decade.. maybe it is time to look at an iPhone again. Part of me is exploring leaving Mac and head to Ubuntu. A palm phone with a great camera could be interesting if lineage might work on it.
Their TVs are loaded with spyware and push notifications, full screen ads, menu ads, all unremovable. You pay thousands for the privilege of this garbage.
All of their phones have unremovable bloatware and spyware. They push vulnerable, ancient, forked AOSP software like "samsung browser" and send full screen image ads via push notifications, unremovable Bixby stuff, unremovable Samsung Store. And the US versions can't be unlocked to install Lineage or stock android.
I never said that Apple could defy the laws of physics and prevent battery degradation.
Also, if I bought a brand new phone that was released in 2018 and even if it did have an old operating system - but a new battery, I could update to the newest OS. If it was a used phone with an old battery - I could replace the battery for $70.
My son just replaced an iPhone 6S that I bought in 2015 late last year. I replaced the battery before giving it to him. It was and still can run the latest OS version. It will be running the latest OS until at least September 2021.
Blame Qualcomm. If you’re a OEM with comparatively low volumes there is very little leverage you have to get your SOC vendor to give you the latest updates. When I worked on Android HW, Qualcomm were basically a year behind whatever the latest Android was, because our volume was so small we weren’t a priority.
If you as a PC OEM, no matter how small, if you used popular components, Windows would support it.
That said the larger OEMs could easily provide updates since they can simply compel Qualcomm to support newer kernels heck some of them like Samsung even produce their own SoCs.
They don’t want too, planned obsolescence has pretty much been integrated into the android ecosystem.
This is why I left it, OnePlus One was my last Android phone, iPhone 6S was my first iOS phone (I had an iPad and a iPod touch before but didn’t really used them, these were gifts and a raffle win).
The iPhone 6S will still get iOS 14 this year.
Overall I could sum up my Android experience as - lost weekends of tinkering with ROMs and kernels trying to get my phones in-line with new releases.
Not to mention the worst shit they cam up with and that was when updates were linked to carriers so sometimes you had to wait a year to get an update if you didn’t want to risk bricking your phone by applying an update form a different region.
Honestly if there was a $300 iPhone coming out each year I don’t think Android would have gotten above single digit percentage in the west.
And while I’ll probably get flack here for saying this but Android is the biggest piece of shit out there not because the OS is bad but because even Google cant get their asses out of their head long enough to provide support for more than a couple of years to their own devices.
And the worse thing about this is that because of how utterly garbage the Android ecosystem is we are somehow supposed to pat Apple on the back for supporting devices for 5 years.
Apple also released a point update to correct bugs in devices going back to the 2011 iPhone 4s last July. Apple supported a phone that was 8 years old.
Phone manufacturers are at the other end of the spectrum. They sell the hardware and it's their vested interest to sell as much as they can. Making it obsolete by not offering software updates and taking advantage of the free work from XDA works perfectly for them. Being able to blame Qualcomm is even better since it's a "boogieman" that doesn't need to look good for consumers.
But Google doesn't control the hardware in the same way that Apple does. It seems odd to blame Google for the lack of hardware support when the target platforms are not homogenous and have no single entity controlling the platform.
If Windows ran on something that esoteric 25 years ago, why can’t Google solve the problem now?
They should, but they don't. Can be said about many aspects of our lives generally, humans are on average not that clever. Voting with wallet is something companies understand very well, I don't see any other fix (maybe EU could force them into something, till they find a way to skip it).
That's victim blaming. Companies are the ones who shaped this situation and they managed to because each intrinsically acts as a unified entity with a unified goal and a lot of power behind it. People may be many but have little to no individual power, and they don't act in any coordinated fashion.
Users accept this because they can't really imagine it differently. Many of them never saw it working any other way. And phones never had the same kind of flexibility and repairability that PCs offer so people unwittingly assume this is normal and not even give it a second though.
Not in any significant number certainly, there haven't been any wildly successful Android worms like we've seen on Windows even in recent years.
The nature of sitting behind NATs, implementation of modern exploit mitigations in even older versions of Android, the diversity of devices, installation only via a marketplace, sandboxing and being able to rapidly update apps like browsers and email clients that do interact with network services makes those big OS-level exploits almost entirely unimportant.
The Average Joe has limited reason to care even if they stop getting security updates.
This is just one exploit that can’t be patched by the app level and is dependent on the OEM.
I do hope as Android One devices are easier for projects like LineageOS or Postmarket to support.
I also very frequently now leave my iPhone at home. This takes a little planning in the form of having an audio book and a few podcasts on the watch.
Apple Watch + AirPods makes me feel set free when I am hiking or out of the house with family and friends. It is so easy to ignore the light vibration notification for incoming text messages or emails, and easy to ignore calls.
Oh ok - yes it does. And wi-fi !
Apple Music and maybe Spotify will work off line. The cellular Apple Watch has 16GB of storage.
Shockingly, Pandora seems to have offline playback: https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/29/pandora-shows-spotify-how-to-..., so I'll chalk this one up to "Spotify spends all its time complaining instead of actually building the app"
The flash based Zunes similar to the Nanos came out at the same time as the second generation iPod Touch.
The Zune HD came out with no apps around the end of 2009. Peak iPod - including the Touch - was 4th quarter 2008. The iPod was already losing steam and even then it was being propped up by the iPod Touch.
All I use: email, browser, maps, phone, txt, calendar, camera (non essential for me).
I'm not sure how you got "three months before the iPhone" when the Zune 30 was released in Nov 2005 and the iPhone was released in June 2007. That's not 3 months, that's 19 months.
It didn’t matter if they were “competitive”. The market had already spoken. People preferred the flash based smaller players to the larger players. MS went after the smallest part of the market.
Which Apple Watch cell version does she have. Do you happen to know the third party ear clip? I hadn’t thought of getting that. I just ordered AirPods arriving today.
This is the perfect post for me to see. I am in my second deep dive in trying to make the Apple Watch a major priority, possibly upgrading to a cellular Watch if this proves to go well. Your wife is another key point for me to push this attempt.
I fit the same demo where a minimalist sort of phone like this would have been right for me. But there is no perfect and the Watch is as good or better than any other option. Especially with my lack of passive phone usage discipline.
Another time I might waste a lot of time contemplating getting something like this. But I’ve finally gotten over a few remaining “needs” for always having phone on me:
(1) detailed location history logging —- don’t think there’s an alternative to this. Won’t have it without a phone.
(2) Siri isn’t very good at dictation on the Watch —- just have to deal with it
(3) Not enough apps on the Watch —- same pattern of just deal with it. I am starting to use a few apps to put stuff into and later I can organize the info. Drafts App and Things are two main ones. Some chat/messaging apps lack proper/any Watch support. Again deal with it :p.
She uses them when she is teaching online fitness classes and they stay in her ear so they are pretty good.
If I were still an outdoor runner I would probably get the PowerBeats with the over the ear clips.
I haven’t had any problems with Siri doing decently well for voice dictation and I have a southern accent.
The Zune was a great device yo.
Android 8.1 to be precise. As long as google is releasing security updates it should be okay.
Even on Symbian best days, you would be lucky to get at very least one time update, and Symbian was the exception, as no else every provided any kind of updates.
I agree it is very stupid, but if Google prefers to have Android in every piece of mobile CPU without arm wrestling OEMs, that is never going to change.
Note that while Project Treble has actually turned Linux into a pseudo microkernel, where standard Linux drivers are "legacy" and everything else runs on their own process with Android IPC, the situation has hardly changed, because Google is still leaving to the OEMs the responsibility for the update process.
On a side note, any of my Windows Phones has gotten more updates than all my Android devices combined.
But as I mention in another thread today, iDevices aren't for price sensitive pre-pay customers that use the devices until they die or get stolen. The majority of the world isn't US with free exchange programs every two years.
In some locations, the hard paied for unknown brand Android device is the first computer many people manage to own, so they aren't even on Apple's target demographic.
It hasn’t work that way since the iPhone came out - in 2007.
Yet and still not only can I update my Windows PCs directly from Microsoft without having to wait on the OEMs, I was also able to stick a Windows 7 DVD in my 2006 era Core Duo Mac Mini, install it and it recognized all of my hardware flawlessly. Apple abandoned it years ago, I could still run a supported version of Windows through the beginning of this year.
Microsoft figures this out on PCs over 15 years ago with WinHEC and plug and play.
It would be 100% like everyone else had Apple allowed for iOS based OEM devices.
Indeed, but that is only thanks to IBM's failure to close back the PC and only applies to desktop and server devices.
Even Microsoft isn't able to do much regarding laptops and Windows tablets, and was forced to start their own Surface line.
But yes, they still do much better than Google, because Google just doesn't care.
Project Trent would have been the opportunity to change contracts for accessing Google services, and they just kept everything regarding OEMs as before.
The proof that they don't really care is the support for their own Pixel devices.
However as mentioned before, not everyone on this planet can afford to be an Apple customer and OS updates aren't certainly on their daily worries.
Microsoft however does allow 3rd party OEMs for Windows and PCs don’t have that issue. MS makes sure the most popular or even some obscure hardware is supported.
I have an 11 year old Dell E6500 Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz running Windows 10 perfectly.
I'm not sure why people don't admit that Windows does backwards compatibility well. Windows has many issues, but running well on old hardware isn't one of them.
Any other Windows 7 version, or more recent versions, the internal fan is not able to make for the generated heat due to missing power management settings.
So I just got used to the noise of having two fans running all the time when I need to do something with that laptop, which has long lost the laptop capability, but hey it runs Windows 10.
As an example, the webcam drivers and power management settings that without OEM drivers will just fry the CPU until the security takes over and forces a hard shutdown.
This as an argument I heard for using older android versions for low end phones around 50$, because newer versions run horrible on them.
I'm not enough into mobile phones to judge whether this is true, but OS version is a tradeoff I would be willing to make dependent on what I'm looking for
So, to turn the question around, assuming this is your stance, why is it not okay?
My wife’s iPad that is a year newer will get much better operating system wide support for the Pencil.
How long is the Windows beta available for major updates to give the ecosystem a chance to test for compatibility. Google just doesn’t know how to handle an ecosystem.
Did she use her phone to read articles on the go? If yes, how is she getting this done with this setup?
Email isn’t really used that often anymore for personal, immediate communications. If someone is emailing you, culturally it’s really not considered urgent.
Read articles on the go? Sure you can read news snippets on the Watch using the News app, but if she is leaving her phone behind, it’s specifically in a context where she doesn’t want to be distracted but does want to be able to communicate with people.
I have an Apple Watch just because, but I really don’t get that much usefulness out of it. I work from home now. I haven’t gone inside a gym in years where the idea of having a phone with me all of the time was irritating - I have a fully equipped workout room at home. Besides, women often wear clothes without pockets. Men usually don’t - except maybe at the gym or while running.
As far as texts. Siri’s voice recognition works surprisingly well for responding to them.
I just think the "companion" aspect was always dumb. You would have to manage two devices and keep them with you anyway, all that would do is increase personal toil. It only became viable for me once I could replace my larger phone with it entirely.
They seem to be selling an always on battery saving mode as a quality of life feature. Which is fine for me having do not disturb activated 90% of time on my phone.
All the smartphones I had in recent years I had to charge overnight. Not because they were depleted completely, but enough so that they usually run out some point the next day. And I prefer to just plug the devices in at home insted of carrying around cables and charging banks.
And related question: How well does the apple or other smart watches do with audio interactions only? I have been playing with the tought of instead of having a phone, using a smart pocket watch. So not even wearing on the wrist. But just take it out once in a while and use headphones, for things like accepting call, dictate messages/notes and chose spotify playlist.
Third party reviews have said that it could last 18-24 hours
That’s the same reason I bought my iPhone 8 Plus. At the time it had the best battery life of any iPhone.
Now the iPhone 11 Pro Max can easily last two days on a charge but that phone is ridiculously large.
How well does the apple or other smart watches do with audio interactions only?
We tested ours when we first got them. I had my watch on, arms down, no headphones and we couldn’t tell that you weren’t on a phone. Of course with a headphones you couldn’t tell the difference. Apple Music works well with voice interaction. I’m not sure if Spotify has been updated to take advantage of the new APIs and Siri integration Apple introduced last year. Text messaging using voice only works well. But, if I know my wife is out and about. I try to ask simple questions in text where she can just use a quick reply - yes, no, etc.
I don't mind buying the watch and the airpods, but having to buy a phone AND two data subscriptions (thanks Canada telecoms)? Not worth it.
Now, the ZuneHD that was a sexy piece of hardware. And the screen was brilliant!
I think the ZuneHD was Microsoft starting to finally get hardware right. But of course the software was terrible. Well, the client was. The “twisted” interface for the ZuneHD was actually much easier to use than music app or Spotify even today.
Why the delay? The chipset manufacturer only recently came out with the BSP for Android 9. So, cost.
nobody who owned a zune would consider that a negative comparison
It now sells with 8.1, but I haven't been able to find any option to upgrade on their site.
All the apps I want to use are still available, F-Droid works great, I have the latest Chrome (which I use as Bromium). I've been able to disable most of Google apps, though I'm a bit sore that most of the OS breaks down when I disable Chrome.
It's only 3cm taller, the battery will last you a week and it has no distractions, oh and it's 34 quid.
More classic Nokia options here: https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb/classic-phones I've had a Nokia 208 for 7 years, I take it rock climbing all the time, it's been crushed and battered countless times and dropped from 60m - battery only lasts a few days now so time to get a new one (a new battery not a new phone).
These phones are great for sports because they are so rugged and they are cheap anyway so you can forget about them and focus on what you are doing. The stick phone form factor is also better for fitting into a pocket without restricting movement - I don't always want to take it on route but sometimes forget it's in my pocket.
Buy this phone if you like getting stranded at bars at 2am and asking friends to call you an Uber to get home.
I believe this was solved more elegantly by the MOTO FONE:
... which was a beautiful piece of design and minimalist functionality. I used this as my only phone from (roughly) 2014-2016.
On a pretty different note, I'm surprised nobody ever mentioned Punkt phones [1,2] on HN. From a design standpoint, also taking durability into account, it looks as if they're worth a try. They're outrageously expensive but I still like the fact they've been built at all.
I also need/want a device capable of 911 emergency calls for both away-from-home and electricity/Internet-outage scenarios. I have a laptop and/or tablet and when I'm away from a WiFi hotspot I am almost always active or my hands are engaged.
But I understand others (mainly exercise enthusiasts) want to be hooked up because their drive is to track progress. In that case they really want a small smart phone which is what this palm thing is.
For the same form factor and other benefits but at about twice the price the 8110 runs kaiOS which includes google maps among other things - it's a different ecosystem and you wont find all the same kinds of apps that you get on android but there are some big ones in there like whatsapp.
I might seriously upgrade to one of these at some point, feels like a good middle ground without going full distractophone.
oh and of course you get to make infinite number of references to the matrix with this phone ;P
However, saying that I think the challenge with this phone might be the battery life. It comes with a free phone case with a battery pack(making the size waaay chunkier than without the case), and the specifications don't mention mAh, just 'battery life' (which from my experience is rarely accurate).
According to https://www.gsmarena.com/palm_palm-pictures-9290.php it's only 800mAh, and from the images it's clear that they're making the screen look much larger than it actually is. Hmm.
I really dig the concept though.
Doubt it would last the entire work day on a single charge with casual usage (playing music, making some notes).
It feels like more of a companion than a phone replacement. I feel like it'd be just another gadget after a few days sitting in my drawer, never to be used again.
Another indicator is that all battery life examples are for activities that typically have the display switched off.
So, I guess you are right. I like the size :)
I’ve been using a iPhone SE as my primary phone since summer 2016.
If I recall, my original new iPhone SE had great battery life. It was first on iOS 9.
Up Until iOS 12, Battery life was fine on it. With iOS 12, had to get a extended battery case; that held up As a workable solution until iOS 13.
At the end of last year, after iOS 13 came out I replaced that iPhone SE with a brand new one I bought on fire sale.
That had an accident this week, which I replaced with another new iPhone SE.
For it, I set it up as a new device, without any apps, and not restoring from any backup, I still have the same battery life.
I’m going to chalk it up to iOS background process bloat and third party background app refresh, etc.
It will be I nteresting to see how iOS 14 Holds up on the iPhone SE 2016.
What can I say, I refuse to use a phone without flat sides, no headphone jack and not of a reasonable size. I could take a few of those exceptions but all three has been a no go for me. Really the new “meh” battery life is the only complaint I have about this device.
Really excited for the rumored iPhone 12 5.4 inch since it may be about the same size as the old SE; with flat sides.
This. I’ve noticed my 6s is frequently warm, indicating heavy activity.
Top suspicion is Photos processing faces/recognition/etc.
I want this to be true but I doubt it very much.
About the same time of ownership; battery health is 91%
I run mine with default apps, couch to 5k, nutracheck, YouTube, eBay, Santander, OS maps, prime video, Netflix, slack, PayPal, Uber eats, duo mobile TOTP and that’s it. No social crap.
The gen 11s have rather good battery life (I rarely dip below 50% at day's end even though I use my phone a lot) — though some folks have apparently reported drain issues — but they have almost double the battery capacity of an '8.
The second comparison is also visible on desktop, but it's not a very obvious one, the CC size is kind of hidden, so could be better.
Weird to display different pictures for mobiles than for desktop, especially when the mobile picture is way better than the animation desktop sees.
But the Palm doesn't solve any of those issues. No fingerprint scanner. Only 800mAh battery (Jelly 2 has 2000). Much lower specs, 28nm SoC. Single SIM. Just nope.
Scrolling through forums, I don't think they ever fixed that. Hopefully on the Jelly 2?
Currently on a Unihertz Atom. Battery life is better but it's sealed like an iphone.
The Atom starts on Android 8.1 but get regular updates and it's v9 now.
Maybe Palm plans the same thing?
The Jelly 2 seems like an improvement over the Jelly 1, but still that resolution of 480x854 is hard to swallow. Although given that there will likely be no Palm Phone 2, I could see myself getting a Jelly 3 or 4 in a few years.
This device is produced by TCL that has a long sordid history of selling phones with pre-installed malware, modifying pre-installed system apps to push ads after firmware “upgrades” and customized social media apps that share low-level user data with the Chinese manufacturer and reports of TCL devices performing DNS rebinding attacks to access internal networks.
For more information visit XDA developers under “Joy launcher, no joy”
Of the mobile platforms, Apple seems the least like this. They seem to actually care about user privacy to some extent, but that's also because they are the most expensive and therefore have revenue more closely tied to their users as actual customers. I still wouldn't let Apple totally off the hook though. They still gather telemetry, and apps on iOS spy as much as they can possibly get away with. Virtually any mobile app is loaded with as much spyware as can possibly be packaged with it and tuned to gather maximum data without being too annoying or visible to the user.
It would be really hard to change this as long as there is such a market for user data. It's too tempting to load apps (or the whole phone) with spyware and cash in. Add to this the fact that governments around the world are certainly in the game both financially and covertly. The only way to really have a privacy-first mobile device would be to lock it the hell down and not allow apps to do anything without explicit user interaction... especially location awareness or any kind of sensor or camera/microphone use. Even with a really locked down phone apps would still try to find clever ways to gather data, and there's a lot of exploitable surface area.
The only other way to fix it would be legislation. One way would be to legislate HIPAA-like protections for intimate user data such as passive audio recordings or location information. Leak a users' location info or sell it without their permission? That will be $10,000 per violation, where a violation is a single location data point for a single user. This would instantly convert user telemetry data hoards from assets to liabilities. Of course what would probably happen is all this stuff would just move off-shore and into shell companies that can't effectively be fined or sued. Legislation might not even work and might make the industry even shadier than it already is. There's too much incentive to spy.
This is why they can lean hard on the privacy aspect, Google (an ad company) can never follow them there all the way.
This is absolutely not true. It's just not their main revenue stream. That doesn't mean they don't collect and monetize your data in one way or another.
people start caring when those companies own half the world.
Apple owns tons of media groups. I don't want to participate in a pseudo market-testing-group just by virtue of owning an iPhone.
We're not talking about data and analytics being collected on phones for phones, we're talking about data and analytics being collected on phones and then sat on for a future project, likely not phone related.
I'm a people, and i'm not okay with that.
1. Collecting data for internal use
2. Collecting data to sell targeted ads with.
3. Collecting data to directly sell to other parties.
My problem with your suggestion to limit internal data analysis (option 1) is where is the line drawn?
Can "Netflix Streaming Department" share data with "Netflix Original Programming" in your idea? Isn't that the whole point tho?
Nobody knows what they're doing. It's why it's smarter to just keep your data away from companies.
You can of course not trust them and keep your data away, it's your choice; but there is no question they are the most privacy respecting of the bunch - because, as the OP said, they are a hardware and services company and staying that way is a competitive advantage.
There is "enable microphone, listen in on conversations and adjust ad preferences" and "upload all photos in the background for analysis" and "check the clipboard for interesting stuff every few seconds"
Then there is just normal telemetry, anonymised and used for internal product development.
When the mafia breaking your legs is owned by your adversary or rented by them is a fig leaf of a distinction.
Apple has been cutting out Google Search with every single iOS update.
IP68 water and dust resistance means Palm is as rugged as it is elegant so it can stand up to the most strenuous activities—whether you're running, swimming, biking or hiking.
Unqualified IP68 just means water resistant to a static pressure of at least one metre and the manufacturer is supposed to qualify it saying how deep it can go which the page does not do. But also note the word static. If you dive in then the momentary pressure could be significantly higher.
So I think this is quite clearly misleading advertising.
[edit: Looks like the answer is yes, TCL bought the Palm brand and is funding this]
> December 11, 2018
> Meet the new Palm
> Back in 1996, Palm released the PalmPilot and forever changed the mobile handheld game. Today Palm is back—same name but a whole new company. We’re a small San Francisco-based start up harnessing that same innovative spirit to help bring people out of their tech and into their lives.
It looks like they bought the rights to the name.
Might not be too bad if they managed to hire some veterans from PalmOS
If so, reports are that the battery life is extremely short.
I bought it for a few reasons:
* Tired of lugging around a monsterous phone.
* Not allowing my Internet/web addiction to follow me everywhere.
* Wanted something small and waterproof for outdoor water sports emergencies.
I bought mine (an original Verizon edition) on ebay for 60 dollars. After that you will want to run it through some debloat scripts which improves battery and declutters the phone. Root it if you like, although I did not as I am satisfied with the mods you can make without root.
I have purposefully crippled the phone and removed Google Chrome, Youtube, as well as the Play Store.
Basically adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.google.____
I personally ripped out the Play Store so that I couldn't be tempted to download Chrome/YouTube again. I downloaded every app I thought I would want and now I sideload new apps with adb if I find other use cases.
I have considered the alternative use case of sideloading the store, downloading the new app, updating my existing apps, and then removing the store. However given the continuous obsolescence that occurs with phones, my plan is to only update things as they break rather than constantly pushing myself to the newest versions until eventually my phone becomes clunky and unusable.
The phone does everything I want (Uber, Maps, phone, text, whatever!) and I have 0 access to the web. I love it. You can't do this on an iPhone, I tried many times and the closest is with parental locking but it doesn't work how you'd like.
The downside is that the battery life kind of sucks, however I get a full day of use out of it. I plug it in every night, I plug it in my car when I'm driving and use Android Auto, and without the Web to distract me I only use it for calls, texts, note taking, and to briefly look up maps, kitesurfing forecasts, or to call an uber.
I can't wait for the exact same form factor with a 2x bigger battery. I'll never go back to a mega phone for daily use.
Happy to answer more questions.
Are you still getting security updates on this device? Do you think you're likely to lose them in the near future?
Edit: I'm asking because I'm really tempted to buy. Sold on everything else.
The phone works for me, and I did a HUGE amount of research into my options before buying. The Jelly 2 which I was previously unaware of looks to be pretty slick, but for 60 bucks off ebay I don't think you can go wrong. YMMV
Overall, it was a pretty bad experience. I lost it in my car (probably under a seat) and did not feel compelled to search for it.
Maybe it was worth the $100 to break the habit of reaching for my phone all the time.
But all I see is either gigantic phones, or 3 inches phones like this one so tiny they're barely usable as a smartphone. At that point why not just buy a dumb phone?
That's much larger than the SE (4" screen, 125x60x7.5 mm, 110 g compared to 5" screen, 140x70x7.5 mm, 150 g for the 2020 SE). Which is a really nice form factor, and well suited for apps, but not so good for web browsing.
Not necessarily if they're talking about the diagonal of the phone: the SE1 has a ~138mm diagonal, which is ~5.4".
At 156mm the SE2 is a bit above 6.1".
Though by that measure the Palm here is hardly "3 inches", it's 4.2".
It's a one year old phone, but at the moment it's on the latest version of Android. Plus it has a headphone jack.
But like the iPhone, it's a greased piece of glass, so it definitely needs some sort of case.
Not by that much, but it definitely is. It's too big to use well one-handed, and it doesn't fit comfortably in a lot of pockets, especially since the corners are pointy.
The perfect phone form factor - and this must surely have been plain to anyone who ever held one - was the Nokia Lumia 620, a Windows phone with 3.8" screen and a curvy back with exchangable double-shot plastic covers. It was a bit like an iPhone 3GS in shape but lighter and with a marginally bigger screen. The phone itself was a bit crap in various ways, but how strange that we should collectively ignore the obvious rightness of this design and go on making them worse and worse for years afterwards. (I'm being flippant, but somewhere in my head I am puzzled by it all)
I went to the website of Mudita Pure and found the following:
> Ultralow SAR value
> Mudita Pure is designed to reduce SAR (Specific Absorption Rate) value as much as possible, without compromising on the signal strength. In order to achieve this, we’ve made our antenna with in-house shielding, using patented technology that we developed.
> Good reception and ultralow SAR thanks to a custom antenna
> There are plenty of antennas on the market but none of them allowed us to maintain good reception while minimizing our exposure to radio frequency energy. We spent quite a bit of time and money (2 years, nearly $1 million) to develop and patent our own solution. We built our unique antenna in-house, using this patented technology (patent US 9,900,411 B2, EU 3185352).
I wonder what exactly their patent consists of, and how SAR matters. I also wonder if the device is rugged, which OS it runs, and how good its gonna be regarding software updates. Light Phone 2, in comparison, runs Android with e-ink display.
Additionally it appears the only product they have ever shipped before is a music album , so I'm not sure how they go from that to a phone. I'd be surprised if this turns out to be any more than Indiegogo vaporware.
1. The reason we mention people sensitive to EMF exposure is because after attending the 2019 EMF Conference in California (https://emfconference.com/), one of the major issues those people were facing was that without technology, they completely isolated themselves from their friends and family.
A phone like Mudita Pure, which could be charged by their doctors, psychologists or care givers (in serious cases some people don't use any electricity at home) might mean the difference between being able to keep in touch with people they care about and being completely and utterly alone.
We have tried to approach the subject in a respectful manner, without judgement of those who may be dealing with this. As it's likely I wrote the site copy you're referring to, it was not my intention for it to come across as 'fearmongery'.
2. Nick Lewis is a friend of Mudita's founder Michal.
3. I can assure you it's not vaporware. We launch in Autumn/Fall 2020.
If you have any more questions, reach out via email@example.com and someone will be in touch.
It actually seems like a good idea to provide such people with electronic communication devices, whether you believe in their conditions or not. They should be able to stay in contact with the outside world, if they are indeed unable to come in contact with EMF.
2. My statement wasn't about who they were, but how a company would go from releasing a music album, to manufacturing electronic devices. As far as I can tell you haven't shipped any hardware to consumers before(?)
3. Well I would hope you'd give that assurance, but any company developing vaporware would probably say it isn't vaporware. I'll check it out later this year though, it seems like an interesting idea so I hope it ends up materializing.
Here's a link to Apple's Legal page regarding RF (radiofrequency) exposure, you can find the SAR value of all of their devices on their website: https://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/iphone12,1/en/ If Apple and other mobile phone manufacturers mention the SAR value of their devices, why wouldn't Mudita?
Unlike Light Phone 2, Mudita Pure isn't running a customized Android OS. "We developed our own dedicated operating system (MuditaOS) and chose the open source, real-time operating system kernel FreeRTOS®️ as our starting point. Optimized for the hardware, it makes Pure fast and power efficient, with a boot time of just 5 seconds." (Source: https://mudita.com/products/pure/)
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Buying such tiny screen phones at this point of time would just limit the productivity as an when needed, if that's all one needed they could dig up their 10 year old android device with 2.5" screen or better buy a current feature phone with 4G and 30 days standby time for fraction of the price.
IMO, If a new smartphone manufacturer wants to enter the space with the premise of 'improving lifestyle', then perhaps they should build devices for pure Linux smartphone OS like these where productivity is available when needed via web apps, supposed lifestyle culprit apps aren't available anyways and help build a better ecosystem.
Take someone from the Midwest suburbs where they have to drive everywhere and move them to NYC. Instantly they will be getting their 10k steps with no problem.
Get rid of all the junk food in your house, 95% of your eating problems just went away.
This phone was like that for me (maybe not for you!). I was seriously addicted to the Internet, like seriously browse HN and reddit for a couple hours a day everyday. Youtube maybe a couple more. Now unless I'm working or streaming a movie I rarely even open my laptop and it just sits in a cupboard. My life has drastically improved after working to rid myself of Internet addition. It's a serious problem for many people. Getting a phone where I could remove the Web from it completely was a huge part of that.
To that end, the biggest single thing I have done is to remove the web browser and all entertainment apps from my phone. That has done wonders for me and my ADD. I never reach for my phone unless someone calls/texts me or I need to accomplish a task. Try it out for a month I doubt you will want to go back. My mind definitely has improved as a result.
I also put my laptop away in a drawer when I am not using it.